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Synergism & Freewillism Commonly Taught in Modern Pulpits
Monergism ^ | John Hendryx

Posted on 01/16/2006 12:59:35 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why must this be repeated again & again & again?

We know! It is because those who have been bought with the Precious Blood of God the Son rejoice at the hearing of it every time it is proclaimed.

181 posted on 01/20/2006 5:35:31 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This seems so clear that I'm at a loss half the time to figure out why all the believing world doesn't agree with it.

Since you have said believing world why limit it to half the time? I trust that the both of us are at a loss the whole time not simply half the time (:

It could not be stated more clearly.

182 posted on 01/20/2006 6:38:53 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: xzins
Hey we agree on something!! It is much more than that however.

Christ has been Crucified - past tense even in God's language; Christ has been raised from the grave - past tense also but following the crucifiction; Christ as God the Son is again at the right hand of God never again to be otherwise.

So there is with God an ordered sequence of events as with the plain old number system 1 < 2 < 3 ...

183 posted on 01/20/2006 7:10:52 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: xzins
Only of time, as we understand it, but not as to sequence; for it is within the character of God (to use human terms) to think & then to speak sequentially with before & after having meaning & in fact necessary for the language of God
184 posted on 01/20/2006 7:22:05 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your question are so trivial. You must be teaching an ESL class.
Yes
Yes


185 posted on 01/20/2006 7:35:54 PM PST by Dahlseide (TULIP)
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To: Dahlseide

I do agree that sequence is a constant across time.

It is almost as if sequence is an established location. As you say: 1>2>3>...


186 posted on 01/20/2006 8:21:29 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Dahlseide
We know! It is because those who have been bought with the Precious Blood of God the Son rejoice at the hearing of it every time it is proclaimed.

Exactly right. And each time it's proclaimed it is just as astounding as the first time we understood it, by the grace of God. All of God, and none of us. Only mercy.

187 posted on 01/20/2006 11:07:59 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (an ambassador in bonds)
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To: connectthedots
This statement is B.S. When someone says "I accepted Christ" at a particular time, they are merely identify the time when they became a child of God by accepting Christ as their Savior. It is disingenuous to read anything else into such a comment.

I think personally that it is a matter of perspective. While a new Christian may see himself as "accepting Christ", there comes a point where, as the Christian grows, they begin to realize that it wasn't so much that they "accepted" Christ, as they RECEIVED Him, having been found accepted BY Christ. The work of salvation in the heart of man is one of active Grace by God, and passive reception by man. Whatever the man did at the moment when he became a child of God had its source and first impetus in the Grace of God, not the mind of the man. It is a response to Grace, not the cause of Grace.

What you choose to characterize as "legalistic" is in reality more a matter of accuracy and correct perception of what really happened, as opposed to what one subjectively perceives as having happened. Striving to be accurate is not legalism.

188 posted on 01/21/2006 5:27:54 AM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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To: nobdysfool

That is a pretty 'strained' explanation, but I can see where some Clavinists must take that position since to do otherwiae would be to deny the truth of TULIP.


189 posted on 01/21/2006 5:57:41 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots

Should have said to refute TULIP. I don't think every element of TULIP is true.


190 posted on 01/21/2006 5:58:50 AM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
That is a pretty 'strained' explanation, but I can see where some Clavinists must take that position since to do otherwiae would be to deny the truth of TULIP.

What's 'strained' about it? How is seeing one's salvation experience from a less subjective viewpoint a "strain"? This has nothing really to do with TULIP, and I don't use TULIP as the backdrop for what I understand.

I know my own salvation experience very well, and I clearly see that it was God who apprehended me, and not my own "smarts" that resulted in my receiving of Him, and His redemption and forgiveness. He chose me, I didn't choose Him UNTIL He confronted me with the Truth, in a very graphic way. At the point of choice, there really was no other rational or logical choice that to yield to His confrontation of my sinfulness and need of a Savior. But, if He had not confronted me, I would NEVER have chosen Him of my own choice or free will.

So, I did not "accept" Him, in the sense that I made a choice between two opposite but equally valid options, as though it were some sort of business transaction between two parties of roughly equal standing, it was a "reception" of the terms of One who held all the cards, and had all of the authority. It was a capitulation, rather than an agreement.

191 posted on 01/21/2006 6:20:59 AM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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To: connectthedots
Should have said to refute TULIP. I don't think every element of TULIP is true.

DO tell ?!? Gosh, ctd, we didn't know that! < /sarcasm >

The efforts of some to "refute" the points of TULIP have uniformly fallen short, and always will. But that's not my problem....

192 posted on 01/21/2006 6:24:15 AM PST by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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