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SANTA ANA: Breakaway Episcopal congregations can keep property says Judge
Virtue Online/North County Times Wire Service ^ | 1/13/06 | --

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:32:19 AM PST by PAR35

SANTA ANA - An Orange County judge dismissed Thursday the last of the lawsuits seeking the return of property from three churches that split from the Episcopal Church to place themselves under a conservative Ugandan bishop.

Orange County Superior Court Judge David Velasquez dismissed suits by the Protestant Episcopal Church USA against St. James Church in Newport Beach, All Saints in Long Beach and St. David's in North Hollywood.

Velasquez had dismissed those claims in October, but allowed lawyers to amend the complaints.

However, in a ruling issued Thursday, Velasquez found that the national church "has not added anything legally material" to the original complaints.

Velasquez dismissed suits by the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles against the churches last year.

In his rulings, Velasquez said that neither the local diocese nor the national church has a rightful claim on land, buildings or items such as hymnals and prayer books used in worship by the congregations of the three churches.

(Excerpt) Read more at virtueonline.org ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anglican; california; churchproperty; denniscanon; ecusa; propertyrights; ruling; schism
Another California ruling against the Dennis Canon and the liberal attempts to grab property.
1 posted on 01/13/2006 11:32:21 AM PST by PAR35
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To: sionnsar; Huber; newheart

One of you all want to ping this around with the Anglican ping list?


2 posted on 01/13/2006 11:34:21 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

Good news...


3 posted on 01/13/2006 11:44:34 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: PAR35

Hey I wonder what would happen as a result of this case if there was a schism in the Roman Catholic Church---the biggest property owner among religious denominations. According to Canon Law--the parishes belong to the dioceses. I wonder if the court would just give canon law a Bronx cheer if this situation arose among Catholics?


4 posted on 01/13/2006 1:17:39 PM PST by brooklyn dave (Confirm Alito Now)
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Hey I wonder what would happen as a result of this case if there was a schism in the Roman Catholic Church---the biggest property owner among religious denominations. According to Canon Law--the parishes belong to the dioceses.

According to at least one bankruptcy court, RC canon law isn't relevant to the analysis. For a story out of Oregon, see:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1552569/posts

The courts are moving toward treating church real property like anyone else's real property. Look at the deeds, trust agreeemnts, etc. Even the recent Pennsylvaina court which ruled for the Episcopal bishop looked at the language in the church charter although there was troubling language in the decision.

5 posted on 01/13/2006 1:52:06 PM PST by PAR35
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To: brooklyn dave
According to Canon Law

News flash.  Canon law is irrelevant in US courts.

6 posted on 01/13/2006 3:23:53 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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Thanks to PAR35 for the ping.

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7 posted on 01/13/2006 4:29:26 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006 | Is it February yet?)
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To: Celtman

Apparently Canon is irrelevant in ECUSA.


8 posted on 01/13/2006 4:32:49 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: xzins

Ping.


9 posted on 01/13/2006 7:14:29 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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Thanks. It appears that this has become a settled issue in Calif.

I hope their view of trustee holdings spreads across the nation.


10 posted on 01/13/2006 7:16:05 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
I hope their view of trustee holdings spreads across the nation.

Actually something like this is probably more likely to keep denominations together. If these denominations realize that they could lose not only congregants but also the church property, they will be less likely to make any radical changes to their doctrines and bylaws. Up until now if a congregation left the fold, the denomination could simply sell the propery off and distribute the proceeds to those churches that stuck around.

I suspect that a lot of these homosexual minister issues and radical abortion rights issues will be dealt with behind closed doors and will never see the light of day.

11 posted on 01/13/2006 7:23:43 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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they will be less likely to make any radical changes to their doctrines and bylaws.

No, these reprobates are dead serious. They will just get sneakier and more underhanded about what they are trying to do.

12 posted on 01/16/2006 9:18:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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