Posted on 01/09/2006 3:56:46 AM PST by Quester
Polygamy acceptance comes and goes with this cult. Clearly Mormonism is not a Christian belief.
"The Book of Mormon has been changed hundreds of times, as a point in fact.. . . So even by their own rule, the Book of Mormon is a fraud. But that doesn't matter because Mormons have a burning in their hearts."
I may be wrong, but I believe that in the Bible, somewhere, it says that, by faith alone are ye saved. Which should not be taken as meaning that all empirical evidence must be completely ignored. Simply that, one should not cherry-pick.
"The Bible's inspired insofar as it has been properly translated," your first question should be, "Do you mean to say that if the Bible has been changed, it shouldn't be trusted?" They're going to say, "Of course it shouldn't be trusted if it's been changed."
It is sad to see that instead of the studying the greek and seeing how much different some things are in translation people slander???? why??? You should not open your mouth in criticism if you have not yet even studied the scriptures, i am currently in the process to learn the greek differences in some passages and the differences are definitly not god inspired for the word says study to show yourself approved,,, if your ignorant of the scriptures through and through dont be a hypocrite and dessimate another human being for the same thing.
The greek quite clearly has seperate meanings and it is so heartbreaking to see a generation of cholars biblical theologians and considered christians not even studying the true word of god. If you want to know what to say you must know what it says,, there are no lies in God and he did the bible in greek for a reason... that those who are seeking truth will find it(IOW they will search the scripture. The generation coming is already thoughtless of what God truly has for all if they beleive.... its is a counterfit revival going on (meaning the devils revival is growing) and it is noones fault but their own. Please dont cast the first stone until you know what your saying about GOD.
Very true.
It is unfortunate that their beliefs are founded on a adolescent going through puberty ... came up with some wild visions.
Did I miss something? He didn't actually make those points in this talk, did he? Too bad.
I heard a series of four talks on the radio from this organization on abortion and the speaker made the point that abortion is killing a human being without mentioning the Bible once. Just using reason. I thought it was pretty impressive.
It just boggles my mind people can be so hate filled against another. It is so simple... Why the desire to slander a human are you better???? Have you gained the knowledge of eternal life yourself??? is it by your knowledge???????? Judge righteuous judgement,,, And study to show yourself approved... May the lord the Lord have mercy on our souls for our ignorance(iniquity) to seek him.. For the flesh shall be consumed and all that shall remain are your good deeds/words for all thoughts and deeds shall be judged(take into account) therefore be mindful of your thoughts towards one another,,, Now this person who beleives in morman is he more than a man???? Are you???? We are to be boastfull of our life in Christ Jesus not slanderous to others... you know this!!
Please show restraint,, For i did not slander this website only the comments made... Abortion is something to keep yourself from quit trying to control someone else... I would never have an abortion because I know it is wrong they do not or are you telling me they are given the knowledge of God to know Good and evil... Is not the Holy Spirit who convicts us, is he not the one whom reveals truth to our inner most beings ?????? Surely those who have not yet had their eyes opened by Holy Spirit are there for you to pass judgement.... How dare you
This should be screamed from the rooftops!
Christ did everything he could to PROVE he is God, infact what more could he do than come on earth and show himself?
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So, the easiest way to deal with this conflict is to give lip service to the authority of the Bible
Is this about Mormons or the RCs/EOs?
Physician, heal thyself!
Koukl just ignores the Mormons' story of the angelic source of the Book of Mormon, which would seem to make their claim to divine inspiration both more direct and more recent than any that can be made for the Bible.
I haven't got a God in this fight, but this is just silly; it's just somebody who disapproves of Mormonism preaching to his choir - and not making any sense.
So far as Mormons go, my experience is that the saved ones are good neighbors and the lost ones throw great parties. Beyond that, I have no opinion at all.
Actually, it says the opposite - "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." (James 2:24)
God created us as rational beings. He does not expect us to deny our rational thought. Our faith in God does not mean we leave our intellect outside the church. If Mormonism had some sort of archeological evidence to back up the claims made within the Book of Mormon, perhaps it would be a more viable system. Mormonism expects the believer to have total blind faith in Joseph Smith's claims - which have NO historical evidence or proof.
Regards
While the author of the piece has a laudable goal--disabusing Mormons of their heresy (I am being charitable here in regarding Mormons as heretical Christians)--good goals cannot be attained by shoddy means. Another poster pointed to one false dichotomy, I would suggest that the author's entire approach to Scripture is based on a false dichotomy. Either the Bible is 'given' to man by God, or it's merely a human product?
No Christian authority until the reformation approached the Scriptures as a Christian Koran, which is what the first alternative of the false dichotomy would make the Bible out to be. Likewise no Christian until modern flourishing of heresies and apostacies (think Jack Spong) thought the Scriptures were merely human products.
What then? The Scriptures are indeed inspired of God, but written, editted, translated and interpreted by man. We Orthodox regard all grace as a matter of synergia or cooperation between God and man (hardly surprising since Our Savior is fully God and fully Man), and the Scriptures are no different. If you remember the selection process by which the modern Bible came into being, you are quite aware of the human hand--indeed for protestants, I would argue that the last step in the creation of their canon of Scripture (what is printed in most Bibles in America) *was* purely human: Luther decided to toss out some books because the Christ-denying Jews at the Council of Jamnia hadn't included them in their canon, in the process tossing out the only Old Covenant testimonies to the general resurrection and the only Scriptural testimony to creation *ex nihilo* (as distinct from creation from pre-existing material). (Protestants tell the lie that the Latin church 'added' those books at the Council of Trent. I know this is a lie because we Orthodox whom the Roman Patriarchate left in the 11th century have all those books, and have since the canon was fixed by the Council of Carthage and the 6th Ecumenical Council.)
The water in which we swim, would appear to be murky indeed. One must have faith of some kind, to navigate all the currents and counter-currents created by those who are "correct" in their interpretations of the scriptures.
Ninth Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness
Malachi 1:11...For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
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