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To: jo kus
The Scriptures clearly say we can reject the Spirit. Is this not a use of free will? Thus, by NOT rejecting the Spirit, our deeds, our cooperation with the Spirit will be seen as loving and worthy of reward.

Sure, if we can choose to sin, it follows that we can choose not to sin. Therefore, between two saved people, the one who chooses to sin "less" might very well have a greater reward in heaven.

God's standards EXCEEDS man's standards. You seem to say that God's standards do not even REACH man's standards, but that's OK, since God is God, YET, evil is good, justice is injustice, love is selfishness, and all this makes sense because God's ways are not our ways??? This defies any common sense.

Man's justice says it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder her baby. God's does not, it holds the opposite view. So is this what you call God exceeding man's justice? I call this a different sense of justice altogether. God is not exceeding, He is restricting. ... I do not know what you mean at the end.

Thus, we are pretty sure that our idea of good is SURPASSED by God, rather than God's idea of good being our idea of EVIL! God doesn't work in opposites, but transcends our understanding.

Man says it is good for a mother to be able to kill her baby. God says the opposite. Man says that it is good to tolerate and accept homosexuality. God says the opposite. Man says that pornography is free speech and should be protected. God says the opposite. Man says that it is good that people should be prevented from praying out loud in public. God says the opposite.

You would have me believe that God's mercy does not even maintain man's idea of mercy!

Man's idea of mercy is for one man to euthenize another. Man's idea of mercy is to allow a woman to kill her baby if she would be depressed by having her. Man's idea of mercy is giving child rapists light sentences.

God said you were of the elect? Do I dare ask how or what Scripture you base this self-determination?

I don't have anything new, just the same boatload of assurance verses that Catholicism either rejects or interprets beyond all recognition.

God's Church is only the elect? Is that what you are saying? The Bible would disagree with that over and over again...Only the angels during harvest time will select out who is the wheat and who is the weed - AND THE WEEDS WILL BE BURNT!

Yes, that's what I'm saying. God's Church is the full community of true believers. What does the Bible have against that? (I skipped talking about John 10 because I'm almost certain I just did that in a recent post to you on another line. If not, just let me know.)

What is this about angels selecting who is the wheat?

If you believe that the Scriptures are from God, then you'd be hard pressed to deny that the Church is NOT from God! You can't have one while denying the other.

I do believe that God's Church comes from God. However, I saw nothing in 1 John 1:1-4 that implied that Popes can make infallible declarations from God, or that a priest today can forgive sins.

7,239 posted on 05/26/2006 2:32:33 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
Sure, if we can choose to sin, it follows that we can choose not to sin. Therefore, between two saved people, the one who chooses to sin "less" might very well have a greater reward in heaven.

An interesting admission... I would agree with everything you wrote above.

Man's justice says it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder her baby

That's not man's justice, that's just the stupid Supreme Court and 7 people making that decision. The majority of people do not agree with that decision of Roe vs. Wade. I agree with what you are saying, BUT, we are still talking oranges and apples here. God exceeds our idea of justice, correct? Thus, the parable of the late day laborers who receive the same wages. Which man would give these men the same wages as the ones who showed up at daybreak? That is what God's justice is...it EXCEEDS ours.

I don't have anything new, just the same boatload of assurance verses that Catholicism either rejects or interprets beyond all recognition.

And what about the "boatload of verses of those who fall away?

What is this about angels selecting who is the wheat?

They are the ones gathering the wheat, are they not?

I do believe that God's Church comes from God. However, I saw nothing in 1 John 1:1-4 that implied that Popes can make infallible declarations from God, or that a priest today can forgive sins.

Been there, done that... Heck, you still think that faith alone saves, even though the Bible says it doesn't. So what sort of evidence would I need to convince you of the above???!!!

Regards

7,243 posted on 05/26/2006 8:03:56 PM PDT by jo kus (Can faith [without works] SAVE him?" NO! James 2:14)
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