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To: Forest Keeper
Sure, if we can choose to sin, it follows that we can choose not to sin. Therefore, between two saved people, the one who chooses to sin "less" might very well have a greater reward in heaven.

An interesting admission... I would agree with everything you wrote above.

Man's justice says it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder her baby

That's not man's justice, that's just the stupid Supreme Court and 7 people making that decision. The majority of people do not agree with that decision of Roe vs. Wade. I agree with what you are saying, BUT, we are still talking oranges and apples here. God exceeds our idea of justice, correct? Thus, the parable of the late day laborers who receive the same wages. Which man would give these men the same wages as the ones who showed up at daybreak? That is what God's justice is...it EXCEEDS ours.

I don't have anything new, just the same boatload of assurance verses that Catholicism either rejects or interprets beyond all recognition.

And what about the "boatload of verses of those who fall away?

What is this about angels selecting who is the wheat?

They are the ones gathering the wheat, are they not?

I do believe that God's Church comes from God. However, I saw nothing in 1 John 1:1-4 that implied that Popes can make infallible declarations from God, or that a priest today can forgive sins.

Been there, done that... Heck, you still think that faith alone saves, even though the Bible says it doesn't. So what sort of evidence would I need to convince you of the above???!!!

Regards

7,243 posted on 05/26/2006 8:03:56 PM PDT by jo kus (Can faith [without works] SAVE him?" NO! James 2:14)
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To: jo kus
FK: "Man's justice says it is perfectly fine for a woman to murder her baby."

That's not man's justice, that's just the stupid Supreme Court and 7 people making that decision. The majority of people do not agree with that decision of Roe vs. Wade.

But that IS man's justice, at least in this country. Man established the Supreme Court and provided for the method of its population. If enough people don't like it, then the people are free to amend the Constitution to make a change. That is man's justice. But that hasn't happened yet, and it ain't happening any time soon. :) More broadly, man's justice on this issue in a global sense would crush what you and I think.

While I pray that you are right soon about the majority of Americans on Roe v. Wade, we're still not quite there yet, although things are getting better all the time. Here is a very recent Harris Poll showing only a 49-47% lead in favor of Roe. While this is encouraging, I still worry about the millions of people who would think it was only compassionate to give an exception "for the health of the mother", meaning she might be "depressed" if the government FORCED her to have that baby against her will, so killing the baby is the only answer. Of course this type of clause is what has eviscerated so many state laws restricting abortion. It makes me sick.

God exceeds our idea of justice, correct? Thus, the parable of the late day laborers who receive the same wages. Which man would give these men the same wages as the ones who showed up at daybreak? That is what God's justice is...it EXCEEDS ours.

Yes, God's justice does exceed ours, but not because it "adds" to it, but because it is fundamentally different from our ideas. Your example is perfect. Under man's justice, the employer would have been cited and fined for violating labor laws. So, is this "falling short", or is this "exceeding"?

They [angels] are the ones gathering the wheat, are they not?

What, are you going all Revelation on me now? :) That passage could mean lots of different things, I'm sure. If I can somehow manage to avoid the Tribulation, I'll be happy. (I know it's going to happen in my lifetime because I am alive today and am aware that the Tribulation will happen in the future. THIS is tradition! :)

7,338 posted on 05/30/2006 7:42:33 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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