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To: Full Court

"Then why does so much of your faith revolve around Mary?"

Attend a few Orthodox services (make sure they are in English), and you will see that the overwhelming center is Christ. We have virtually no icons of Mary that do not also contain Christ, and the fact that her importance derives from the fact she gave birth to the Savior is emphasized at every turn where she does appear in our liturgical texts.

I could ask in turn why you seem so determined to give the smack-down to any extra respect directed toward the mother of Christ. The same people who would stand up with respect for the President of the United States if he walked into the room throw a hissy if someone treats the woman who gave birth to the eternal God come in the flesh as anything other than some kind of surrogate mother heifer chosen at random.

If your reply is that it's just the prayer and veneration that bothers you, then why don't you at least treat Mary in your life and church with at least the same reverent respect that, say, most conservative Republicans treat the memory of Ronald Reagan?

Truth to be told, much of the fervor with which you hold to your beliefs about Mary seems to me to be motivated by little else than a determination to believe the opposite of whatever Catholics believe. It's not that we Orthodox don't understand that temptation to say the opposite of what Catholics do -- it's just that we try to resist it.


6,188 posted on 05/10/2006 7:10:52 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: Agrarian
smack-down to any extra respect directed toward the mother of Christ.

I give her the same respect that Jesus did.

Mark 3:35  For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Truth to be told, much of the fervor with which you hold to your beliefs about Mary seems to me to be motivated by little else than a determination to believe the opposite of whatever Catholics believe.

Anything that denigrates Jesus Christ, as adoration of Mary does, I am against it totally. NO matter who preaches it.

6,194 posted on 05/10/2006 7:17:42 PM PDT by Full Court (www.justbible.com)
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To: Agrarian
then why don't you at least treat Mary in your life and church with at least the same reverent respect that, say, most conservative Republicans treat the memory of Ronald Reagan?

Babe, I can in no way compare Jesus Christ to Ronald Regan than you could compare Mary the mother of Jesus to Daisy Duck.

6,196 posted on 05/10/2006 7:23:17 PM PDT by Full Court (www.justbible.com)
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To: Agrarian; Full Court; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
The problem isn't in treating Mary with respect and I think you know that. The problem is that we won't cross a line into worship of her. We all know who the Queen of Heaven is that Jeremiah preached against, and to even give her this title fills us with....something, I'm not sure what, dread maybe.

In contrast, try to find the name of David's mother in the bible-- good luck, she isn't even mentioned. Other than how David came to know Solomon's mother, she too gets no great mention. Poor Leah, she had to trick Jacob into loving her, as he loved Rachel more. The precedent is set for Mary to fulfill her great mission and to live as just another Jewish woman. If it was not so, Jesus would have made sure to say so. We believe what Jesus said in the bible, and that is our only fault.

6,255 posted on 05/11/2006 9:32:31 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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