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To: kosta50; jo kus; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; qua; AlbionGirl; blue-duncan
FK: "I don't know of any evidence in the Bible that supports the idea that any of the righteous ever went to hell."

Unless they repented, I believe they would all go to hell. Unless they have forgiven those who trespassed against them, they could not ask God to forgive their trespasses. Those who showed no mercy can expect no mercy, the Scripture says.

So for you, the scripture says that faith plays no part in whether we go to hell, that it is only determined by the deeds that we do. If this is your view then no scripture I can quote to you will have any meaning. But since we have all committed these acts in our lives, then you must believe that all people go to hell. You also must believe that Christ rescues some. Does He do this one at a time, or does He wait until His return? And, is this the hell of the Bible, with the lake of fire and all the weeping and gnashing of teeth? That sounds like a real bummer. I believe I will skip that part. :)

Adam and Eve did not repent, so they would be in hell.

How in the world could you know if they repented? Or, do you mean that just committing sin one time sends one to hell, generally?

And what is your definition of salvation? It is to accept Jesus as your God and Savior? I don't think there is another way. Well, they didn't know Him -- even if we speculate that they would have recognized Him, they still didn't accept Him because they lived before He did, ...

Faith saved in the OT and faith saves today. In the OT, the faithful looked forward to the Messiah, and KNEW that He would come. Today, the faithful look back on the Messiah, and KNOW that He came.

5,969 posted on 05/08/2006 7:31:42 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus; annalex; qua; HarleyD; blue-duncan
So for you, the scripture says that faith plays no part in whether we go to hell, that it is only determined by the deeds that we do

Judaism holds that one is made acceptable to God by works. There is no reason to believe that the OT Patriarchs and Prophets believed otherwise.

How in the world could you know if [Adam and Eve] repented?

They didn't repent when God gave them a chance to repent in the Garden of Eden. Apparently, God did not find it necessary to re-visit their spiritual growth after they were kicked out of the Garden or else something would have been written about it, don't you think?

Besides, the icon of Resurrection shows them being pulled out of their graves in hell...so obviously the Church thought so to. The only thing I don't understand is how come they are fully formed humans (with clothes!) and all this time I thought the bones will not rattle and acquire new flesh until the Second Coming.

Faith saved in the OT and faith saves today. In the OT, the faithful looked forward to the Messiah, and KNEW that He would come. Today, the faithful look back on the Messiah, and KNOW that He came

A Jew who is an atheist can still be considered rigtheous in Judaism, so faith is not required. To the best of my knowledge, in the biblical times there were no atheists.

Today the faithful look FORWARD to Christ's second coming. The OT Jews expected a Messiah, but Judaism's view of the Messiah doesn't even come close to the Christian. The only ting we share is the Greek term.

5,977 posted on 05/08/2006 8:19:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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