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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
While I do rely on God's promise of eternal life, AND that He won't take it away from me once I have it, I don't think His promises are kept out of a duty owed by Him to me for something I did with my free will. I see the salvation promises as being one way. So, yes, I would see it as God giving up control if He "risked" losing one of His elect to himself

Then how is He omnipotent (using your own argument)?

But I think you are mistaken aboyut not letting you go. Matthew 21:43 says


5,165 posted on 04/26/2006 6:53:53 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; jo kus
FK: "So, yes, I would see it as God giving up control if He "risked" losing one of His elect to himself."

Then how is He omnipotent (using your own argument)?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean, but I believe that God's omnipotence is secure because He never takes a risk of losing any of His elect.

But I think you are mistaken about [God] not letting you go. Matthew 21:43 says:

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit."

And two of the next three verses say:

Matt. 21:45-46 : 45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus' parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46 They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

I would disagree if you are saying that these people were ever saved, and then lost their salvation. When did they ever accept Christ as Lord? Never. How could they have ever been saved? Do you really have a sense that these people ever had a faith that should ever be accorded to them as righteousness? I don't, except that at least Nicodemus showed some good signs. They actively rejected the Christ. How does anyone with true faith REJECT the very one they were supposed to be looking forward to? It only makes sense that if they did have true faith, Jesus would have opened their eyes. They weren't even baptized, were they? These are the same people who freed a serial killer in order that Jesus be put to death.

5,196 posted on 04/27/2006 2:40:07 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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