Paul says over and over again, "By no means" shall we go back to our old lives. We must persevere. But I don't take perseverance to mean perfection as you appear to do. I wonder why Paul doesn't back up any of these types of passages with "so run to your priest after any one of these sins or you are lost". Again you make the perfect case for ping-pong justification. Saved one day, lost the next. You appear to say that God doesn't give anything for keeps. He just loans us grace that we must earn through our future deeds to keep. In your example from Galatians, you have Paul damning anyone who ever experiences hate, or anyone who has a few drinks too many now and again. If someone rapes and murders my loved one, and I feel hate, then I have just damned my soul to hell. After justification, it's damnation to them all, UNLESS ... well, Paul never tells us around these passages.
FK: "This passage says NOTHING about running to a priest for forgiveness. THAT is the literal interpretation of 9-10."
Big deal. It doesn't say that Jesus rose from the dead in this passage, either. What is your point?
I just mean that if Paul really is advocating ping-pong salvation, he seems to only give the "ping" side and never the "pong". If that's true, I find that odd.
WHY? If God has already predestined you for election, what is the purpose of Baptism - per your theology? Obedience to God? Would this remove you from the elect, then?
Yes, Baptism is an obedience to God. Jesus tells us to be Baptized, and a regenerated heart wants to obey. But if someone is truly of the elect, then nothing can cost him his salvation, not even the failure to be Baptized. None of us are perfectly obedient to God.
And if you got that money through ill-repute, would the situation be the same? I CAN refuse this money. People do it all the time.
But your added circumstances take it out of an analogy to heaven (something very good). All you do is kill the analogy, you don't address the issue. God's "offer" is nothing like a tainted $1,000,000 :)
I don't either. Remember, we have Purgatory? However, our basic direction in life must be Christ. IF we do those sins of the flesh, we are given an Advocate who will forgive us of our sins. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is always available to those who choose (through God's Spirit) to return to the Lord's ways. The "unforgiveable sin" is the sin that man does not ask for the forgiveness of.
I wonder why Paul doesn't back up any of these types of passages with "so run to your priest after any one of these sins or you are lost".
I wonder why Paul never mentions the word "trinity", "altar call", "Sinner's Prayer", or "protestantism"....As I said before many times, all of Paul's thoughts and ideas are not written down in the Scriptures...They are letters that we happen to have, preserved by the Church.
Again you make the perfect case for ping-pong justification. Saved one day, lost the next.
Sorry you disapprove of Scriptures. But your "saved one day, lost the next" is clearly an exaggeration.
If someone rapes and murders my loved one, and I feel hate, then I have just damned my soul to hell. After justification, it's damnation to them all, UNLESS ... well, Paul never tells us around these passages.
You have heard of the idea of repentance?
I just mean that if Paul really is advocating ping-pong salvation, he seems to only give the "ping" side and never the "pong". If that's true, I find that odd.
Paul talks about reconciliation, for example, in 2 Cor 5.
Jesus tells us to be Baptized, and a regenerated heart wants to obey. But if someone is truly of the elect, then nothing can cost him his salvation, not even the failure to be Baptized. None of us are perfectly obedient to God.
Baptism is given for the remission of sins. Thus, if you aren't baptized, your sins aren't forgiven. How does that make you of the elect, then?
God's "offer" is nothing like a tainted $1,000,000 :)
God's offer is not given to us with full and entire revelation. It is based on faith. You keep mentioning that "who would choose hell?" Indeed. No one. People choose a life without God. That is the same thing. Hell is an existence without God. Now whether that state means fire and brimstone, who can say? But clearly, people will choose a life without God and His ways. That is what people choose. Life without God's ways, God's Laws, God's Love. A person who willfully does this over the course of their life will not be saved, regardless of Baptism they received 20 years ago.
Regards
I don't either. Remember, we have Purgatory? However, our basic direction in life must be Christ. IF we do those sins of the flesh, we are given an Advocate who will forgive us of our sins. The Sacrament of Reconciliation is always available to those who choose (through God's Spirit) to return to the Lord's ways. The "unforgiveable sin" is the sin that man does not ask for the forgiveness of.
I wonder why Paul doesn't back up any of these types of passages with "so run to your priest after any one of these sins or you are lost".
I wonder why Paul never mentions the word "trinity", "altar call", "Sinner's Prayer", or "protestantism"....As I said before many times, all of Paul's thoughts and ideas are not written down in the Scriptures...They are letters that we happen to have, preserved by the Church.
Again you make the perfect case for ping-pong justification. Saved one day, lost the next.
Sorry you disapprove of Scriptures. But your "saved one day, lost the next" is clearly an exaggeration.
If someone rapes and murders my loved one, and I feel hate, then I have just damned my soul to hell. After justification, it's damnation to them all, UNLESS ... well, Paul never tells us around these passages.
You have heard of the idea of repentance?
I just mean that if Paul really is advocating ping-pong salvation, he seems to only give the "ping" side and never the "pong". If that's true, I find that odd.
Paul talks about reconciliation, for example, in 2 Cor 5.
Jesus tells us to be Baptized, and a regenerated heart wants to obey. But if someone is truly of the elect, then nothing can cost him his salvation, not even the failure to be Baptized. None of us are perfectly obedient to God.
Baptism is given for the remission of sins. Thus, if you aren't baptized, your sins aren't forgiven. How does that make you of the elect, then?
God's "offer" is nothing like a tainted $1,000,000 :)
God's offer is not given to us with full and entire revelation. It is based on faith. You keep mentioning that "who would choose hell?" Indeed. No one. People choose a life without God. That is the same thing. Hell is an existence without God. Now whether that state means fire and brimstone, who can say? But clearly, people will choose a life without God and His ways. That is what people choose. Life without God's ways, God's Laws, God's Love. A person who willfully does this over the course of their life will not be saved, regardless of Baptism they received 20 years ago.
Regards