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To: annalex; HarleyD
This is speculation on the scripture. It is not scripture. The only scripture you showed [Eph. 1:11] is "works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will", which lacks the detail necessary to falsify or agree with the fine semantic distinctions between "coercing", "foreseeing" and "ordaining" made by the author of Monergism website.

Go ahead, you can say it, ... we already know. Fine semantic distinctions notwithstanding, "Everything" doesn't mean "Everything", it must mean something completely different. Catholicism must be protected, so scripture must be changed.

3,550 posted on 03/14/2006 3:25:32 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
The context of Ephesians 1:11 matters:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with spiritual blessings in heavenly places, in Christ: 4 As he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and unspotted in his sight in charity. 5 Who hath predestinated us unto the adoption of children through Jesus Christ unto himself: according to the purpose of his will: 6 Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son. 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace, 8 Which hath superabounded in us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 That he might make known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure, which he hath purposed in him, 10 In the dispensation of the fulness of times, to re-establish all things in Christ, that are in heaven and on earth, in him. 11 In whom we also are called by lot, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things according to the counsel of his will. 12 That we may be unto the praise of his glory, we who before hoped Christ: 13 In whom you also, after you had heard the word of truth, (the gospel of your salvation;) in whom also believing, you were signed with the holy Spirit of promise, 14 Who is the pledge of our inheritance, unto the redemption of acquisition, unto the praise of his glory.
The context is of grace and goodness, not of sin and evil. To use Ephesians 1:11 as a prooftext of God ordaining evil is another instance of Protestant abuse of scripture.
3,553 posted on 03/14/2006 11:16:30 AM PST by annalex
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