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To: kosta50
Ah, you missed the point, FK. I was being sarcastic. You feel that God is not in control if He allows free will, so you impute that He doesn't.

Whether you were being sarcastic or not, what you say is not correct. God can be both in full control and allow some free will. For example, after salvation I say that we have some free will to sin. This must be so since we do sin and God does not cause sin. God is still in full control because He already knows about it. He can use it if He chooses for His own purposes.

2,902 posted on 02/22/2006 11:33:06 AM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
after salvation I say that we have some free will to sin. This must be so since we do sin and God does not cause sin

But, in your theology, if He allows it, He wills it, and what He wills He creates.

And what kind of a "free" will is "some" free will, FK? Unless you have complete freedom to choose God or no God, you have no free will.

God left it up to us to decide which way we will go. Since He knows our choices, He knows where those choices will lead us and therefore He is never surprised. But being free means that He does not interfere, compel or force.

If we do not cooperate with God's will on our own free will, by voluntary submission, we will never reach theosis. But, what compels us to submit? Love. Unless we love God more than anything we will not be saved. Unless we love our neighbors as ourselves, we will not be saved. That, my friend, can very few say for sure, so "few shall finds the way."

As Jo says, don't be too sure...if you don't love your neighbor as yourself, and God more than anything in the world, you may just be imagining things.

2,914 posted on 02/22/2006 4:29:31 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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