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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
after salvation I say that we have some free will to sin. This must be so since we do sin and God does not cause sin

But, in your theology, if He allows it, He wills it, and what He wills He creates.

And what kind of a "free" will is "some" free will, FK? Unless you have complete freedom to choose God or no God, you have no free will.

God left it up to us to decide which way we will go. Since He knows our choices, He knows where those choices will lead us and therefore He is never surprised. But being free means that He does not interfere, compel or force.

If we do not cooperate with God's will on our own free will, by voluntary submission, we will never reach theosis. But, what compels us to submit? Love. Unless we love God more than anything we will not be saved. Unless we love our neighbors as ourselves, we will not be saved. That, my friend, can very few say for sure, so "few shall finds the way."

As Jo says, don't be too sure...if you don't love your neighbor as yourself, and God more than anything in the world, you may just be imagining things.

2,914 posted on 02/22/2006 4:29:31 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; jo kus
And what kind of a "free" will is "some" free will, FK? Unless you have complete freedom to choose God or no God, you have no free will.

I say that because I believe in a personal God who is active in our lives. Therefore, He does prevent some sin from ever being committed by His elect. The regenerated heart is a changed heart. Some sin I committed before I was saved I no longer commit and I give God the credit for that, not me. I was just trying to be consistent. :)

...if you don't love your neighbor as yourself, and God more than anything in the world, you may just be imagining things.

This may surprise you, but I completely agree with this. You describe a regenerated heart, so a saved person will look like this. I just believe the Bible is full of promises that allow us to also be able to know it.

2,981 posted on 02/24/2006 12:53:00 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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