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To: HarleyD
Your point seems opposite to what a Catholic would think -- very well illustrated by that old joke:

A man was on his roof during the St. Louis flood and a boat goes by. The boatman says "Come over, you can get saved by coming on this boat". The man on the roof says "No, God will save me."

Another boat goes by and the man on the roof is now waist deep in water but he again refuses to come saying "God will save me"

Finally, he's neck deep in water, standing, and a helicopter comes by and offers to resue him, but the guy stubbornly says "No, God will save me"

Finally, he drowns, and when he reaches heaven, rushes to God and says: "Why didn't you save me?? I waited and waited"

And God turns around with a pained expression and says "Who do you think sent those two boats and a helicopter?"


Similarly, God helps us when we help ourselves: by Charles Martel's battle of Tours, Europe remained Christian, by the Crusades, Christians retained their rights to worship in the Holy Land, by the actions of Jan Sobieski, again Europe was saved.
2,433 posted on 02/08/2006 7:20:32 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
"Your point seems opposite to what a Catholic would think...

And a great many Protestants these days as well.

I would think a better and scriptural illustration is Lot:

Even though Lot knew the town would be destroyed and how vile the citizens were (including his own son-in-laws) he just lingered around. He had to literally be dragged out of town by God. Those of us who do benefit from God's grace and mercy don't recognize how obstinate we are with the Lord. In your boat example if God's compassion is on that person on the roof top, God will drag him off of there just like He dragged Lot out of Sodom.
2,447 posted on 02/09/2006 4:47:52 AM PST by HarleyD ("Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24)
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