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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; HarleyD
God loves us all, is omnipotent, and yet does nothing for those who reject Him

That is what the Apostolic Church teaches correctly. So, if you meet a woman, date her, fall in love with her and wish to marry her, but she rejects you and opts some formone who will be her ruin — what is then your move, to force yourself on her because you lover her?! If you really love her, you let her go. If she comes back, she is yours; if she doesn't she never was.

But that's not what you believe, so no wonder you can't understand it. What you believe is that God created some to go to hell and others to go to heaven (why even call them "saved"?!?). There is no love in any of that. Those who were created by God to go to heaven or hell have done absolutely nothing that God didn't want them to do, yet He sends some to hell (for the heck of it I suppose)! Like I said, Jesus Christ taught nothing of the sort. Christ won by love, not by force.

2,384 posted on 02/08/2006 3:28:53 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Bravo.


2,390 posted on 02/08/2006 4:03:12 PM PST by Bohemund
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; HarleyD; Gamecock
FK summarizing Kosta's comment: "God loves us all, is omnipotent, and yet does nothing for those who reject Him."

That is what the Apostolic Church teaches correctly. So, if you meet a woman, date her, fall in love with her and wish to marry her, but she rejects you and opts [for someone] who will be her ruin — what is then your move, to force yourself on her because you love her?! If you really love her, you let her go. If she comes back, she is yours; if she doesn't she never was.

But, you don't have authority over her so you have no right to force yourself on her. God does have that authority. God NEVER let's His elect go. He loves them too much. It's a funny contrast to something the father of my best friend in high school once said to me. "If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't come back in three days, hunt it down and kill it!" :)

What you believe is that God created some to go to hell and others to go to heaven (why even call them "saved"?!?). There is no love in any of that.

Sure there is. God loves His elect so He lets no one, not even himself, snatch him out of His hand. This is a difference we have. You would say that God loves and respects us so much that He would let any of us walk straight off a cliff while He sits in a lawn chair three feet away. We would say that God loves His elect so much that He would never allow that to happen.

2,497 posted on 02/10/2006 6:14:01 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: kosta50
So, if you meet a woman, date her, fall in love with her and wish to marry her, but she rejects you

I can't help but think of the movie "Bruce Almighty" when I read this.

Bruce ridicules God and God says, "ok, you be God; in this neighborhood, you're God."

Bruce goes on an Almighty tear, but it happens that Bruce's girlfriend Grace is fed up with him and Bruce tries to win her back using all his now-divine powers. Surely he can do it, he's God after all.

But God has one rule for Bruce - you can't force her to love you. Bruce is appalled that he has all this power and still.. and God says something like, "welcome to my world.."

5,780 posted on 05/05/2006 11:31:31 PM PDT by D-fendr
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