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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; HarleyD; Gamecock
FK summarizing Kosta's comment: "God loves us all, is omnipotent, and yet does nothing for those who reject Him."

That is what the Apostolic Church teaches correctly. So, if you meet a woman, date her, fall in love with her and wish to marry her, but she rejects you and opts [for someone] who will be her ruin — what is then your move, to force yourself on her because you love her?! If you really love her, you let her go. If she comes back, she is yours; if she doesn't she never was.

But, you don't have authority over her so you have no right to force yourself on her. God does have that authority. God NEVER let's His elect go. He loves them too much. It's a funny contrast to something the father of my best friend in high school once said to me. "If you love something, let it go. If it doesn't come back in three days, hunt it down and kill it!" :)

What you believe is that God created some to go to hell and others to go to heaven (why even call them "saved"?!?). There is no love in any of that.

Sure there is. God loves His elect so He lets no one, not even himself, snatch him out of His hand. This is a difference we have. You would say that God loves and respects us so much that He would let any of us walk straight off a cliff while He sits in a lawn chair three feet away. We would say that God loves His elect so much that He would never allow that to happen.

2,497 posted on 02/10/2006 6:14:01 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Cronos; annalex; HarleyD; Gamecock
God NEVER let's His elect go. He loves them too much

So, we must then conclude that He really didn't care for the very people He created in the Garden of Eden. In other words, God made rejects.

But, you don't have authority over her

So God has authorty to force us to love Him? The authority to change our minds and our hearts? That's love, right?

We don't have the authority to force a woman because it is morally wrong. Morality is from God. God is perfectly moral. If you think it is perfectly moral for God to make us love Him, then how morally wrong, or unauthorized, would we be to imitate God and apply the the same approach, being that we are made in His image and likeness?

You would say that God loves and respects us so much that He would let any of us walk straight off a cliff..."

God is doing everything short of forcing us to save us. But people reject God out of their own pride and will.

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2,499 posted on 02/10/2006 7:21:10 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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