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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; Gamecock; Cronos; annalex; HarleyD
What I haven't heard from you is how, if God loves us equally, is it that some are saved and some are lost? Doesn't God have the power to arrange anything He wants?

First, you heard from me how is it that some are saved and some are lost if God loves us all. You ignored it. Love does not exist without respect. I know that it is completely impossible for you, and your Pharisaical minds, to comprehend that the omnipotent God can and does respect our decisions, our free will, because He willed it so from the beginning, because perfect love comes with perfect respect, because it is impossible to love somone without respecting the same individual.

So, only some are saved even though God loves us all, even though Jesus died for all. To an Orthodox and Roman Catholic, that makes perfect sense. To you that is a paradox. I will leave it at that.

Second, the Protestants, like Muslims, deny free will. You see God as someone Who has to assert His importance by being stronger than we are, to show who's boss, to be in charge. Christ showed us that God is nothing like that. God wins us over by love and even respect for our sillyness and foolish pride.

2,383 posted on 02/08/2006 2:47:27 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Second, the Protestants, like Muslims, deny free will.

Not true. Some Protestants are very much in the camp of free will.

2,388 posted on 02/08/2006 3:52:35 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: kosta50
Second, the Protestants, like Muslims, deny free will. You see God as someone Who has to assert His importance by being stronger than we are, to show who's boss, to be in charge. Christ showed us that God is nothing like that. God wins us over by love and even respect for our sillyness and foolish pride.

Very apt statement. We see God as treating us in a way that would be incomprehensible to mere mortals -- if you or I were omnipotent beings, impossibly powerful beings, wouldn't we be lording it over everybody and saying bow down NOW.

But, we understand that God is not like that, God is not debased like us.

2,435 posted on 02/08/2006 7:26:05 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: kosta50
Second, the Protestants, like Muslims, deny free will. You see God as someone Who has to assert His importance by being stronger than we are, to show who's boss, to be in charge. Christ showed us that God is nothing like that. God wins us over by love and even respect for our sillyness and foolish pride.

Thanks for the comparison to the terrorists. That's real nice. I would agree with you that my side sees God as stronger than us, and He really is a "take charge" kind of God. I would disagree with you that Jesus did not show these exact traits. Jesus said He WAS GOD! He taught with ultimate authority. Jesus was always the boss and always in charge. Do you deny this? Jesus was a salesman?

2,494 posted on 02/10/2006 4:31:17 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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