[Forest Keeper]

... it is still often argued that she must have been a sinner because "all have sinned" (Rom 3:23). But if we press St. Paul into rigorously meaning by this "every last human being on earth, especially Mary" there is no way to keep that steam roller from running over Jesus too, since Paul does not say "all have sinned except for Jesus."

Perhaps looking at the whole thought would be helpful. There is a clear exception. Rom. 3:23-24 -

"...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

Paul gives the reader credit for knowing that Jesus did not need to redeem himself.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Forest Keeper, this is a very special day for catholics. This is a catholic devotional thread and not a theology discussion thread. Politely, I ask you to find another thread to argue on. Your witness won't convince those who want to be here. You don't want to believe our reasoning, either. Therefore, we have nothing to discuss on this particular thread with you.

Thank you.

[Salvation]

"Hail Mary, full of grace"

How could the Blessed Virgin Mary be spotted with sin, since the angel, Gabriel greeted her with the saluation, "Hail Mary, full of grace"?

Your Catholic and Marian bashing arguments do not hold water when it comes to the direct translation from the Bible!!!!