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1 posted on 11/29/2005 9:32:32 PM PST by murphE
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ping lists please


2 posted on 11/29/2005 9:33:23 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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good news bump


14 posted on 11/30/2005 6:35:14 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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The faithful must also participate in a formal prayer service in honor of Mary

Does just going to Mass on the feast day (remember that the IC is a holyday of obligation in the US, but not everywhere) count as a "formal prayer service in honor of Mary"? I think perhaps it does!

16 posted on 11/30/2005 6:41:08 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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"The pope expressed his hopes that all the church would be united with him and their "common mother," Mary, on Dec. 8, so that the faithful "may be strengthened in their faith, follow Christ with greater dedication, and love their brothers and sisters with more ardent charity," said the cardinal."

Viva il Papa! Great news. Thanks for this post.


22 posted on 11/30/2005 6:59:04 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: murphE
An indulgence is a remission of the temporal punishment due for sins committed. A plenary indulgence is the remission of all punishment.

Luke. 11:2 He(Y'shua) said to them, “When you pray, say: “`Father, [Some
manuscripts: Our Father in heaven] hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come. [Some manuscripts: come. May your
will be done on earth as it is in heaven.]

Luke. 11:3 Give us each day our daily bread.

Luke. 11:4 Forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who sins
against us. [Greek: everyone who is indebted to us] And lead
us not into temptation.’“ [Some manuscripts: temptation but
deliver us from the evil one]

b'shem Y'shua

49 posted on 11/30/2005 9:54:09 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: murphE
For those of us who are catechism challenged can some one translate what this means?:

"Catholics can receive a plenary indulgence for taking part in any public or private devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary"
81 posted on 11/30/2005 6:23:54 PM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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Cardinal Stafford said that to obtain the special Dec. 8 feast day indulgences one must fulfill the normal requirements set by the church for all plenary indulgences, which include that within a reasonably short period of time the person goes to confession, receives the Eucharist and prays for the intentions of the pope, all in a spirit of total detachment from the attraction of sin.

The faithful must also participate in a formal prayer service in honor of Mary "or at least openly demonstrate their devotion to Mary" by praying before an image of the Immaculate Conception on display for public veneration. The faithful should also recite the Lord's Prayer, the creed and a prayer to Mary.

83 posted on 11/30/2005 6:28:15 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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Plenary Indulgence Attainable on Dec. 8
103 posted on 11/30/2005 10:06:20 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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