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To: Rosary
Unless and until an SSPX member is utterly and totally humiliated and repents credibly and confesses error as publicly as he/she has scandalized the actually Faithful and done public penance of a profound source and begged readmission to the Church, then the SSPX member should "stay the course" and continue in stiff-necked schism and excommunication.

Since when did the Remnant return to Catholicism from its knee-jerk support of much that is unsupportable?

You fail to answer the only relevant question. Since John Paul II was pope when he ruled SSPX a schism and excommunicated its leaders, has POPE John Paul II or POPE Benedict XVI changed those judgments by any authoritative statement. The answer is, of course, NO. No one below the rank of pope has the authority to readmit SSPX or its leaders to the Roman Catholic Church.

Nothing about this divides Catholics, as such. Catholics remain Catholics and SSPXers are not Catholics. Which part of EXCOMMUNICATED do you refuse to understand??????

63 posted on 11/26/2005 11:40:35 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

I see you are still spouting the same old tired lies.

Here's a little bit of truth for you, your eminence.

You are not the person who decides how Rome will negotiate with the SSPX.

So stuff it.

Don't make me come back on here regularly to mop the floor up with you.

And drop this utterly stupid mode of thinking that "because a Pope says something it must be true." That's utter stupidity with nothing in Catholic teaching to back it up.



64 posted on 11/27/2005 6:53:40 AM PST by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: BlackElk

Unless and until an SSPX member is utterly and totally humiliated and repents credibly and confesses error as publicly as he/she has scandalized the actually Faithful and done public penance of a profound source and begged readmission to the Church, then the SSPX member should "stay the course" and continue in stiff-necked schism and excommunication.

Your eminence, This is such utter hogwash I have to just laugh. Just who do you think is going to believe your tripe?

I for one, regularly go to priests in my local diocese for confession. I oftentimes tell them that I attend Mass at the SSPX chapel. They commend me for it on most occasions. None have attempted to dissuade me. In fact, one priest said to me, "As long as you are a Catholic, you can attend a Mass at the SSPX." Then he told me to get more involved with them as a parish community.

So his eminence really doesn't know what he's talking about.

Since when did the Remnant return to Catholicism from its knee-jerk support of much that is unsupportable?

Care to support that statement? I thought not.

You fail to answer the only relevant question.

There are actually many relevant questions. Is the Church in a severe crisis? Did JPII lie or was he ignorant when he stated that the archbishop had committed a schismatic act?

Since John Paul II was pope when he ruled SSPX a schism and excommunicated its leaders, has POPE John Paul II or POPE Benedict XVI changed those judgments by any authoritative statement. The answer is, of course, NO.

Obviously his eminence believes in papal infallibility and papal irresistibility in all matters. (Basically trying to support the unsupportable.) If the Pope says the sun is a cube. Then the sun is a cube until a later Pope says something else. Truth is very fluid among his eminence and his brother bishops. It's the Protestant version of papal infalibility. His eminence buys it hook line and sinker and likes it.

No one below the rank of pope has the authority to readmit SSPX or its leaders to the Roman Catholic Church.

Actually no Pope can readmit someone who has never left. The Pope can override natural or Divine law. All he can do is admit his mistake or have one of his successors straighten out the mess he made.

Nothing about this divides Catholics, as such. Catholics remain Catholics and SSPXers are not Catholics. Which part of EXCOMMUNICATED do you refuse to understand??????

The relevant question is what do you refuse to understand? The facts (even the legalistic argument) are simply unknown to you. Card. Hoyos said that many in the Church even in the episcopate were extremely ignorant. Here is proof of that statement. Your eminence, we've been through this before. You simply don't know what you are talking about. Catholicism being a major portion of what you don't understand.

66 posted on 11/27/2005 7:29:08 AM PST by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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