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To: Rosary; ninenot; sittnick; Tax-chick; onyx; Petronski; Convert from ECUSA
NOW that I have time.

1. I have NEVER received Communion in the hand and I never will.

2. I have NEVER received Communion from a Eucharistic Minister or Mistress or whatever they are called and I would do so only if I were homebound, unable to travel and could not find a priest or deacon to bring me the Eucharist. This is a personal peference and not a Catholic doctrine. Call me old-fashioned! Just the kinda Elk I am.

3. I confess my sins only individually and only through individual confession to a priest (preferably in a traditional confessional box although receiving absolution is far too important for us to be overly fussy as to the noin-essentials or incidentals) and then only to a priest in good standing, a non-schismatic priest, a priest who serves under the authority of and with faculties from my quite Catholic DIOCESAN ORDINARY, Bishop Thomas Doran or an equivalent TERRITORIAL diocesan bishop.

4. My preference in altars is that they be oriented so that the priest faces the altar with his back to the congregation but this too is a preference and NOT DOCTRINAL. The vitally important thing about the altar is that it be the location where a priest, duly ordained by the Roman Catholic Church, in communion with the pope and under the authority of and with faculties granted by his diocesan ordinary, says the Mass, under whatever rubrics may be approved for the purpose by the Vatican, in which the one-time sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the Cross is made immanent upon the altar and the bread and wine become, through the miracle of transubstantiation, the Body and Blood of our Lord and Savor, Jesus Christ while retaining the outward appearances of bread and wine. Such Holy Altars are found in, well, Roman Catholic Churches. While schismatic priests are priests nonetheless, they lack faculties from diocesan authorities, are not in communion with the Vatican and the pope and are not in communion with their diocesan bishops. The Masses of SSPX schismatics are on a par with those of the Eastern Orthodox and may be resorted to in genuine emergencies not Marcellian-concocted taste emergencies but resorting to them is quite disrespectful of the Roman Catholic Church and its duly constituted authorities and a bad habit and, of course, the near occasion of sin (schism, scandal, etc.) and on a par with hanging out at a cat house in order to preserve one's virtue or with skin-popping heroin while telling yourself that you are not addicted. It can be done (in spite of schismatic propaganda that abounds to seduce foolish Catholics into the misery of SSPX schism which just LOVES company) but the effort occurs in a sewer of persistent rebellious temptation.

5. No belly dancing has been discovered at regular diocesan Masses here in Rockford, neither at the Novus Ordo Masses, nor at the Institute of Christ the King Masses at St. Mary's Oratory, nor at the Tridentine or other Masses at St. Patrick's in Rockford. Hysteria does not become the schizzies but it IS their way of life. They are to Catholicism as disloyal as Nancy Pelosi is to America and any lie that will serve their perfidious and schismatic purposes will be told.

6. Never heard of consecrated hot dogs (an oxymoron in any event since only appropriate bread and wine may be transubstantiated as you would know if you were attending Catholic churches rather than schismatic moonbat churches). Never heard of consecrated soda pop or any other pop for that matter, either, and for the same reason. I have heard of "clown Masses." Of course, soi dissant Bishop Williamson is a clown.... but I have heard of "Masses" where the priest did not merely think as a clown might think but also dressed as one might dress. This is disrespectful and evidences a disordered Kumbaya sort of (something or other that is the Kumbaya equivalent of "mind" vacuum????) "mindset" that deserves involuntary cloister for life at least in a world which has regrettably abandoned the iron maiden and the rack and the stake. Sort of like the appropriate resolution of SSPX schismatics and particularly their bishops and priests and lay leaders.

7. What is "devorice upon devorice?" Is this the SSPX spelling for divorce upon divorce, in which the SSPX cognitive problem of "Just what part of schismatic and excommunicated" as used in Ecclesia Dei as the ruling of Pope John Paul II do you NOT understand(?????) becomes more obvious as a need for lessons in English and reading. Small wonder you are so confused. Maybe it means "licorice upon licorice?" or "device upon device" or whatever. One regrettably concludes that "devorice upon devorice" is undecipherable gibberish and that the reader cannot very well understand such gibberish. Worse, one seems forced to conclude that those who utter such as "devorice upon devorice" don't understand it either and further that they are not capable of doing so.

8. You have it reversed as to cults since SSPX apparently believes that its little oompah band cult of malignant disrespect and defiance and anti-papal hoopla somehow IS the Roman Catholic Church when, in fact, the Roman Catholic Church from which SSPX is a schism and from which its bishops and "adherents" have been papally expelled, IS the Roman Catholic Church. A is A. 10. I prefer my Masses brisk and Tridentine but can certainly fulfill my Sunday obligation at Novus Ordo Masses as well as can you should you ever decide to abandon the schism and return to communion with Rome after rejecting Marcellian upstartism.

11. I am no more interested in your notions that SSPX is somehow not the scism that it was ruled by JP II to be than I am interested in any non-papal theory that Marcel, the Econe 4, their successors in schism or the adherents of SSPX are ot excommunicated. They are. JP II so ruled. B-XVI has nt modif9ed or changed those rulings in the slightest.

12. Roma Locuta. Causa Finita!!!!

13. Rome has long been a city with an actually communist government. Rome has lost the Faith. The Vatican and the popes have NOT lost the Faith. Excommunicated as are each and every one of your SSPX bishops and "adherents," no self-serving delusionist SSPXer is in any position to sit in judgment upon pope, Church or Faith any more than a Zen Buddhist might or a Zoroastrian or a worshipper of Ra. If you adhere to SSPX, you are no longer Catholic. Get as angry as an anti-Bush moveon.org moonbat but it does not provide logic for your argument. Also, need I remind you that the appearances of Our Lady of LaSallette (in which I believe) are nonetheless PRIVATE REVELATION and not required as a belief of any Catholic? YOPIOSEPR (your own personal interpretation of someone else's private revelation, a species of "spiritual" hearsay) is no more authoritative than are the Scriptural interpretations and convenient opinions of any red-hot tongue-speaking pastor of the Union Band Church of Jesus Christ Fire Baptized (or whatever)/storefront division.

14. At the risk of encouraging you in schism, I will certainly agree that belly dancing, "consecrated" soda pop and "consecrated hot dogs have no place in Catholicism, but thejn no one credible ever said they did. Try to remember through the schismatic fog that no "tradition" that rejects papal authority is a Catholic tradition. None ever will be.

15. Lions and tigers and bears!!!!! Oh, my!!!!!

16. John Paul the Great certainly now knows what he should have done and when he excommunicated Marcel and company, he did what he should have done. Marcel also knows what Marcel should not have done and, in the absence of a grace of sincere final repentance, suffers for it. Try not to share Marcel's fate.

37 posted on 11/25/2005 10:42:14 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk

Once the drumming starts, I can't help belly dancing. I didn't realize it was that bad, sorry.


41 posted on 11/25/2005 11:40:45 AM PST by Tax-chick (Advent starts November 27 ... have you dusted yet?)
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To: BlackElk; Pyro7480; murphE

Good-now Christ also said that he would vomit the luke warm out of His mouth- the lukewarm--wishy washy in the Catholic Faith-as is explained.
So just because you personally have not encountered hot dogs,ect.doe not mean it never happened and IS STILL GOING ON -in the so-called NEW ORDO across the globe!
The beauty of the NEW Ordo is as Protestant as it is-no or very few altars,crucifixes,stations of the cross (if you can find or recogize them),confessionals,..wheres the lines? compassion and care for the ill-(oh everyone goes to heaven ) Last rites gone or replaced with something else.
Catholic Churches here and across the globe continue to close along with the Catholic schools-why? The great reason and effort in building them in the first place by our Forefathers-forgotten.
Women push their way into what they want "to be a priest" HA - they can't handle a family and now they want a flock _ SAD!
Despite the effort in SSPX it is NOT JUST THEIRS- thousands of unheard Traditonal Catholics WANT the OLD WAY-even JpII asked for a REQUIEM MASS for his furneral-which I might add was NOT what he GOT! Oh yes, and the Souls in Purgatory-where are THIER REQUIEM MASSES????????
Movie stars are included in the Traditonal Latin MAss WANTERS ! and YOUNG priests jump ship from what they find no real CAtholism in the New Ordo -to be trained to say nothing but the Holy Latin Tridentine MAss..and it happns all behind the scences!!!
We have no preferences as you say ELK --but to remain Faithful to TRADITION AS ST. PAUL says in the Bible. Over 40yrs.and the Latin Tridentine MAss,its priests and people grow ! It will not die..and the POPE is moving towards the ways of the OLD rules too.


44 posted on 11/25/2005 5:40:01 PM PST by Rosary (Pray the rosary daily,wear the Brown scapular)
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To: BlackElk

I think you have a reply, FWIW...lol.


58 posted on 11/26/2005 3:29:38 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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