Are Catholics Born Again?

Catholic Educators ^ | Mark Brumley

[x5452]

which denomination are we talking here?

It isn't in my church (Eastern Orthodox), firstly we have the sacrement of confession, and secondly we don't clasify sins.

http://www.oca.org/QA.asp?ID=153&SID=3

[x5452]

You said:I find “exceptions” to be unscriptural. God doesn’t make exceptions.

Seems a lot of folks think there was an exception to 'go and baptise all' with regard to baptising children, but that it was a super secret rule that only got started in the age of Martin Luther.

[joseph20]

Eastern Orthodox is Catholic, yes?

My question is regarding protestant "born again" Christians. For example Baptists (or any other protestant denomination that uses the term "born again").

[x5452]

It's 'Catholic Like' I suppose. (It's very close up until around 1054)
http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Great_Schism

I too would like to know what born-againers suggest for atrocious sins incured after being born again.

[Romish_Papist]

"PAPIST!!!!

< /ignorance>"

You called? :)

[Romish_Papist]

"He who endures to the end will be saved" Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46

You're not at your end yet so don't jump the gun for your eternal soul's sake.

[~Matahari]

” The bible quite clearly states, and has already been posted multiple times in this thread, that we are NOT saved by faith alone.”

What a cruel joke God played on Jesus.

[Quester]

For what offense would you disown your own child ?

Would you disown them because they missed the weekly family meeting ?

You're making a fundamental mistake. God doesn't disown us. We disown Him. If your child chooses not to come to your weekly family meeting, who's disowning whom? And how can you have a relationship with a child who chooses not to be in your presence?

So how many weekly family meetings would a child of yours have to miss before you decided that they had disowned you ?

Why would you expect that someone who has disowned you would have any contact with you at all ?

[Quester]

One must have a genuine spirtual rebirth.

This, then, eliminates the mentally retarded? The autistic? The ignorant?

For all of these ... God is able.

[x5452]

But according to protestants he's NOT able for infants.

[HarleyD]

"Seems a lot of folks think there was an exception to 'go and baptise all' with regard to baptising children, but that it was a super secret rule that only got started in the age of Martin Luther."

I'm afraid I miss the point. I do not believe in baptism of children. I believe in what they refer to as a Credobaptism - believer baptism. If I'm not mistaking the Catholic Church does baptize children but requires them to fulfill their catecism later.

[x5452]

Yes because baptism and beleif are separate things (as has been explicitly enumerated by several scriptural references thus far in the thread)

[HarleyD]

Then why are you picking on Luther baptizing kids?

[x5452]

I'm not picking on Luther I'm refering Luther as the begining of the protestant era. It wasn't until this era in history when people started revising baptism to exclude children. Until Luther went about willy nilly questioning and re-writing the work of the church the apotles setup no one decided to deprive children of baptism.

[HarleyD]

I think you'll find that most Lutherans, Presbyterians and a number of other Protestants baptize children. I personally find no scriptural evidence of infant baptism and, while I understand their point of view, I disagree with Luther and Calvin. Blame it on sola scriptura.

[Quester]

For all of these ... God is able.

But according to protestants he's NOT able for infants.

But of course He is.

No protestants teach that God will not save infants ... irregardless of whether they are baptized or not.

[x5452]

Numerous peach that you cannot baptise children, if God can send the Holy Spirit to the disabled and unable to think cognitively then when we in the Orthodox church pray for the Holy Spirit to come upon a child in Chrismation it is equally as feasible.

[x5452]

Numerous peach that you cannot baptise children, if God can send the Holy Spirit to the disabled and unable to think cognitively then when we in the Orthodox church pray for the Holy Spirit to come upon a child in Chrismation it is equally as feasible.

[PetroniusMaximus]

"I am still shocked anyone not among the twelve following Christ or those trained by the twleve can claim anyone's baptism was invalid."


"... the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart."

1 Sam 16

[Cronos]

The Catholic Church didn't exist until 476

Isn't it fabulous how all the Protesters make up dates for when the Church suppsedly began? The dates dished about are fantastic. They all forget that the Church started with Christ, it is the Body of Christ. All the Apostolic Churchs are ONE body of Christ.