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51 posted on 12/17/2005 6:01:46 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: murphE; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; livius; ..

Dear All,

I may not have introduced myself to all of y'all. For those of y'all who do not know me y'all can take a look at my profile. It will suffuce to say at this time that I was the person reponsible for sending that email to Chris Gillibrand of Catholic Church Conservation as I found and it is still true that nothing is being done by the Catholic Bishops of India to rectify this matter.

More, Importantly We Catholics in india face intense persecution from Right Wing Hindu Groups as I write this to you. For those of y'all who are interested in knowing more about Paganism in the Catholic Church in India.

Please read the following book written by a Catholic from South India by the name of Victor Kulanday. It is very enlightening. The name of the Book is the "Paganization of the Catholic Church in India". It was published for a number of years from Madras now called Chennai.

The Unfortunate thing about this Book is that it is practically unavailable in India for the simple reason that this writer "Victor and his wife Daisy Kulanday" who was responsible for establishing in 1975 the "All India Catholic Laity Congress" which used to regularly take up issues against the Bishops regarding Theological Errors they were promoting in the Catholic Faith and report them to Rome was not a popular person with the Catholic Bishops of India and after his death in 1989 they sought to ban his book and probably all works by him.

Therefore this Book is not available in any Catholic Book-Store in India in nay city or town. It should be available in most parts of the United States if it is not available in a good catholic book-store it will definitely be available with Barnes and Noble, Double-Day, or with Amazon.com online.

In Jesus and Mary,

For the Attention of NYER, Victor's wife Daisy passed away in 1993 and since then the "All India Catholic Laity Congress" has been defunct and has been practically been shutdown.

Therefore, at my age I see myself as a "Voice in the Wilderness" with regard to this issue. Please remember y'all that Paganism in the Catholic Church in India has been an ongoing feature since 1975; however I was only 4 then. This is what I have got to know from Friends and Relatives as well as from my own family.


53 posted on 12/18/2005 8:35:31 PM PST by MILESJESU
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To: murphE; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; livius; ..

Dear All,

A Small Correction. The Book is called " The Paganization of the Church in India" by Victor J.F. Kulanday. It seems that this book is out of print and has limited availability through both BarnesandNoble.com as well as Amazon.com.

In Jesus and Mary,


54 posted on 12/18/2005 10:52:23 PM PST by MILESJESU
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To: murphE; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; BearWash; voice of india; ...
Dear All,

I do not have good news for you today. In Yesterday's Edition of "The Times of India" there was an article written by a Catholic Correspondent stating that the Catholic Bishop's Conference of India have given the Green Light for this "Paganism" which they prefer to call "Inculturation" to be incorporated into the Liturgy and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as soon as possible -- It could happen at Mass on Christmas Day or perhaps in the New Year but they are hell bent on doing it.

It seems that there is nothing that can stop them now. I even quote two auxiliary bishops from the Archdiocese of Mumbai(Bombay) Bishops Percival Fernandes and Thomas Dabre in this article who say that not one of the Bishops in India are against it and according to him if we can have hindu rituals in the Mass in South India and in Ranchi (Eastern India) for several years if not decades then why not in Bombay, Goa, and other places?

I would like to remind my good friend "Voice of India" that yes, sure many Catholics from South India are conservative and traditional but certainly not the Leaders of the Church. I have information that the Head of the Syro- Malabar Church performed a Hindu Ritual in the presence of the Papal Pronuncio at the Papal Seminary in Pune in 2002; besides this Cardinal Lourduswamy and Father Amaloporvadass S.J. a Heretic Jesuit have been performing Hindu rituals in the Mass for years specially since the early 1980's.

There are Churches and Chapels in Bangalore, Pune, and in many towns and cities of South India where Images of Hindu Gods and Goddesses have adorned the walls for years.

Let me end this message by saying, that for years no one has stopped these "Hard Core Heretics" from doing what they have been doing. Now, we have more pagans and heretics in Mumbai(Bombay) like Father (Doctor) Francis Barboza and Father Charles Vas who engage in shameless "Pagan Liturgical Dances" before the altar.

For crying out loud why doesn't anyone stop them. I for one have made a decision that I will walk out of a Mass even on Christmas Day if I find these Pagan Rituals in the Mass-- next who knows what it will be "Satanic Rituals"

If this continues, I will just stay at home and watch the "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass" on E.W.T.N. which is said with respect and is truly solemn.

What is worse, is that Cardinal Ivan Dias-- the Archbishop of Bombay has given his seal of approval to all these pagan rituals and in fact believes that by having these pagan rituals in the Mass the Catholic Church can attract Hindus to join the Catholic Church in different parts of India.

Such foolishness I have never come across in my life. I just have one basic argument for all these "Priests, Bishops, and Religious" who are for all this crap -- Is Christ being Preached in any Hindu Temple, Mosque, or Sikh Temple ?

You will never hear a Mullah, a Hindu Priest, or a Sikh Priest preach about Christ and the Teachings of the Catholic Church in their respective places of worship?

Why then are we bending over backwards and engaging in the appeasement of these "Pagan Religions". Why can't we remain faithful to Christ and his teachings?

Sometimes, i wonder if this gets too bad whether I should seriously consider becoming a "Baptist or a Pentecostal" at least I will hear about Christ and his teachings more often.

Your Comments and Prayers are invited.

In Jesus and Mary,
57 posted on 12/21/2005 10:47:14 AM PST by MILESJESU
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Dear Friends in Christ,

A Happy and Holy New Year to all of y'all. I had posted some information for your perusal, on the 25th of December unfortunately I could not upload any of the photos along with the information which I believe is excellent.

The First Article is in three parts and written by a Bengali Christian and his take on "Evil Inculturation" in the Catholic Church in India. The Second Article is by the late Michael Davies and is truly an eyeopener specially for Catholics like us who believe in defending, maintaining , and preserving the Sacredness and Holiness of Rituals in the "Holy Sacrifice of the Mass".

I believe that I will do whatever needs to be done to defend the Sacredness of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass from inappropriate introduction of rituals by heretic Jesuits and other priests and bishops in the catholic church in India that have nothing to do with Christ, or his teachings or Christianity for that matter.
63 posted on 01/14/2006 10:05:01 AM PST by MILESJESU
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