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To: Rhadaghast

Oh I sin all the time. Pride is the biggest temptation I have and it can manifest in so many ways. I realize it's a sin...I want to do better. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. It doesn't interrupt my salvation.

When I accepted Christ atonement, when I truly recognized my sin and the horror of it...how dispicable it is to God. It made me perfect in His sight....it did not make my actions perfect (and he knows that, thus the sacrifice of his son.) I think the recognition - turning from - is the meaning of repentance. Repentance I think happens once and if you are truly born again it stays.

Now if, for example, you believe in God as a creator and ultimate power, without also believing he hates sin, then you might presume there needs to be no effort on your part...that you can go on with your sinful practices since it doesn't matter anyway. This would indicate to me, that you have NOT been born again...you're not humbled and perfect in Christ. It would be an indication that you think you are the one in power because you can fool people, you can fool God.

Accepting your fallibility isn't the same as flaunting your sin....do you see the difference...repentance is a heart matter, thinking it's okay to sin means your damned. Recognizing you will sin and that you need Christ means you're saved. It's a small difference...but it makes all the difference IMHO.


47 posted on 10/25/2005 9:29:13 AM PDT by colorcountry (Proud Parent of a Soldier, a UPS Driver, an Executive, a Construction Worker, and a Student)
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To: colorcountry
When I accepted Christ atonement, when I truly recognized my sin and the horror of it...how dispicable it is to God. It made me perfect in His sight....it did not make my actions perfect (and he knows that, thus the sacrifice of his son.) I think the recognition - turning from - is the meaning of repentance. Repentance I think happens once and if you are truly born again it stays.

Uttterly ridiculous. Christ doesn't call for a one-time declaration of "repentance" that does not take into account our future ongoing conversion. Only those who obey the will of the Father will enter heaven, not those who say "Lord, Lord" (Mat 7:21). Recognizing Christ's Passion and Death and its meaning for us DOES NOT necessarily instill within us repentence. Clearly, if one repents of sin in 1990 has little effect on whether you will continue this walk. Proof? Consider Judas Iscariot. Did he not accept Jesus as his Lord and savior and repent from his sins? Wasn't he sent out with power and authority to heal in Christ's name? And yet, what happened to him? Eternal salvation is not guaranteed to anyone. Even your own concept ("This would indicate to me, that you have NOT been born again") precludes this. How do YOU know YOU are not going to become one of those who "really wasn't born again"? So much for the guarantee of eternal salvation...

And finally, NO ONE is perfect in God's sight on this earth! Just because you think that Christ died for your sins doesn't make you pleasing to God!

Recognizing you will sin and that you need Christ means you're saved.

"Saved" means to be healed, also. It doesn't ONLY mean to receive eternal salvation. Recognition of sin doesn't mean we are healed. Repentance and conversion is our indication that we are healed. What's the point of recognition if you don't intend to change?

Regards

48 posted on 10/25/2005 9:54:14 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: colorcountry
You talking out of both sides of your hat here. You say the same old tired thing the rest of the baptist say. You must not be 'really' saved.

Repentance must be a continually thing, not as a maintenance of salvation but as a demonstration of it. The fact that you can repent at all shows the inworking of the holy spirit.

Yet you just suggested that the person must not be truly saved.

Thereby condemning your alcoholic brother who has fallen deliberately for the ninth time.

By saying that his act of repentance was not genuine, because of his fall you have rendered him incapable of being saved at all. He tried that and it didn't work. Why because he was weak.

Now you have made him damned as well.


Was David truly damned after his three deliberate sins?

How about Peter? The first time may have been a slip, the second, peer pressure, the third? No excuse.

He must not really have been saved.

The item you are missing is in John 20: look for what Jesus added to salvation, then watch its effect. They all were still hiding, until Acts chapter 2. With out those items of a completed salvation you have no impact on this world.
58 posted on 10/26/2005 4:17:12 AM PDT by Rhadaghast (Yeshua haMashiach hu Adonai Tsidkenu)
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