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To: Sam the Sham
why are there so many Protestant sects ?

Why are there so many Catholic sectlets?

17 posted on 10/04/2005 11:15:50 PM PDT by Gamecock (Crystal meth is not a fruit of the Spirit.)
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To: Gamecock
"Why are there so many Catholic sectlets?"

It's a serious question, and you aren't answering it at all, you're simply changing the subject. If scripture alone as a sole rule of faith is sufficient to establish the truth of Christianity, why are there hundreds of disagreeing sects based upon the bible?

Some say there are tens of thousands of religions based upon the bible. Most of us could name several dozen without too much trouble, all claiming they used the bible to derive their beliefs. Why do they disagree if the bible alone is sufficient? The answer is because nobody uses scripture alone. Nobody. There is no religion based solely on the bible. Can you at least admit that this is a problem?
23 posted on 10/05/2005 12:32:23 AM PDT by ByGraceThroughFaith (Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.)
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To: Gamecock

Catholic sectlet ? What is a Catholic sectlet ?

Jesus created a human church. He empowered his disciples to go forth and teach and forgive sins and gave them the gift of the Holy Spirit to answer their questions. That human church he created was the Catholic Church in direct human succession from the disciples.


45 posted on 10/05/2005 6:06:05 AM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Gamecock

There are no "sectlets" in the Catholic Church. The Faith of the Church is the same everywhere, for all time. There are different emphases on some aspects of the Faith from rite to rite within the Catholic Church, as well as different emphases on certain doctrines. But the entirety of the doctrinal deposit is acknowledged by all, and the different emphases represent a healthy diversity based more on culture than anything else.

But I suspect you don't have that so much in mind. What you doubtless refer to as "sectlets" take their shape in the arguments - almost exclusively in the West - between "liberals" and "conservatives" that all western Christians plainly see in the media on a daily basis. I would state that this is not quite the intradenominational battle that it seems to outsiders. The fact is that western liberal Catholics invariably hold to one or more doctrinal aberrations that the orthodox Catholic would consider heretical, that is, not part of the teaching of the Church through either Scripture or Tradition as explicated by the magisterium (the teaching authority of the Church). In this sense, these folks are not really Catholics at all; they merely haven't the social graces necessary to just *leave*. Even Luther came to the point where he knew whatever he wanted to "reform" couldn't be accomplished with his own continued presence in the Church, and he had the sense ( in a human way of looking at it) to leave.

The large majority of those people you hold up as examples of "sectlets" within the Catholic Church are simply neo-Protestants who do not, or simply will not, own-up to the fact. They are facilitated in this by a Church hierarchy that, for reasons that almost always escape the likes of myself, does not think it expedient to formally excommunicate them. They are, in reality, no more a part of the Catholic Church than you are yourself, though they do not share your own intellectual honesty about the fact!

To the extent that such people do not recognize the God-given authority of the Catholic Church to preach the Gospel authentically as the "pillar and ground of truth," (1 Timothy 3:15), they have cut themselves off from it just as surely as Luther, Calvin or Knox ever did. For orthodox Catholics, they are not our responsibility as "Catholic sectlets"; as Cafeteria Catholics, they are the embodiment of what St. James had in mind in James 2:10. With the current pope, I believe that they will see, in short order, that "the cafeteria is closed!" As will be your argument.


69 posted on 10/05/2005 6:55:07 AM PDT by magisterium
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