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Inclusivity
Apostolicity ^ | 9/24/2005 | Fr. Christopher Cantrell

Posted on 10/04/2005 4:50:39 PM PDT by sionnsar

​​​​I was recently asked a question, by someone who had read this blog, about the previous post, the one with the Episcopal Church T-shirt, He asked, "What did you mean by posting that?"

Primarily, black humour, I suppose. A friend shared the link to the site with me and I thought it was humourous in a dark and ironic sense, so I posted it here. But I have been thinking about it some more.

I have recently been rereading G. K. Chesterton's, The Everlasting Man. In it he describes Christianity as refusing to be but one religion among many.

"Yet exactly such a pantheon had been set up two thousand years before by the shores of the Mediterranean; and Christians were invited to set up the image of Jesus side by side with the image of Jupiter, of Mithras, of Osiris, of Atys, and of Ammon. It was the refusal of the Christians that was the turning-point of history. If the Christians had accepted they and the whole world would have certainly, in a grotesque but exact metaphor, gone to pot. They would all have been boiled down to one lukewarm liquid in that great pot of cosmopolitan corruption in which all other myths and mysteries were already melting. It was an awful and appalling escape. Nobody understands the nature of the Church, or the ringing note of the creed descending from antiquity, who does not realise that the whole world once very nearly died of broadmindedness and the brotherhood of all religions."
He maintains that if the Church had not done so, the world would have died.Jesus says things like, "Strive to enter by the narrow door." "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." He has some very exclusive things to say. "Not everyone who says, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Hell is inclusive, heaven is not.

Here lately in the pages of the magazine, The Living Church, we have even been treated to the open statement that
"No matter what our view of salvation is, the fact that we want to convert believers of other faiths is insulting to them and to their religion." (TLC, Aug 29th, pg. 12)

And this from a retired priest of the Episcopal Church! He goes on to say that we should immediately cease and desist from this "insulting practice." We are in danger of becoming indistinguishable from the rest of the world. Chesterton thought that to be the way of death. I agree with him.

Hell will take anybody. Christianity, while open to all, demands something more of each of us. Jesus says, "Repent, and believe."


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: ecusa
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A Gift Idea?


http://www.cafepress.com/inclusiveecusa
is where you can get this message on a variety of shirts, mugs, and even tote bags. Perhaps you could buy one for your bishop. Or even your favorite liberal.

1 posted on 10/04/2005 4:50:40 PM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 10/04/2005 4:51:35 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

The fastidiousness of the early church on this point is shown by the issue in, I think First Corinthians, whether it was even proper to buy meat that came from animals that were sacrificed to pagan gods.


3 posted on 10/04/2005 4:55:47 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: sionnsar
"...He goes on to say that we should immediately cease and desist from this "insulting practice [attempted conversion from other faiths]." We are in danger of becoming indistinguishable from the rest of the world."
Well, then he will surely become indistinguishable from Jehovah's Witnesses. Maybe one should set a few on him, just for practice.
4 posted on 10/04/2005 5:34:20 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Sam the Sham
The fastidiousness of the early church on this point is shown by the issue in, I think First Corinthians, whether it was even proper to buy meat that came from animals that were sacrificed to pagan gods.

Matthew 5:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

5 posted on 10/04/2005 7:51:12 PM PDT by xJones (Why are we in this hand basket and where are we going?)
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To: GSlob

I don't understand your analogy.

The JW's are extreme in their hatred of all other branches of Christianity. In their eyes, they are no different from Satanists.


6 posted on 10/04/2005 8:07:45 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham
"I don't understand your analogy.
The JW's are extreme [in their hatred...]..."
They are also extreme in their missionary/conversion zeal and in their bad manners, having difficulty in understanding many forms of "get lost!". This particular point is beyond analogy - it is directly applicable. Thus persisting in proselytizing would indeed land one in JW's company.
7 posted on 10/04/2005 8:45:36 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

It depends whether proselytizing is done in a spirit of arrogance or a spirit of love. THAT is the difference.

The core of the JW religion is a cruel and murderous god who will soon kill most people at Armageddon.


8 posted on 10/04/2005 8:50:59 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

Once the proselityzer is told where to go and what to do on his/her/its way there - and at the destination - the only spirit left is the persistent arrogance. Loosing attack dogs on such is extremely appropriate, in my opinion.


9 posted on 10/04/2005 9:06:08 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Compare Jesus at the well with the Samaritan slut with JW's or Scientolgists.

The difference is the Holy Spirit. The difference is loving compassion vs looking for marks.


10 posted on 10/04/2005 9:12:30 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham


There is one intercessor between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.


11 posted on 10/05/2005 2:59:16 AM PDT by ohhhh ( That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice,..)
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To: ohhhh

How about "Go ye therefore into the whole world..."? Did we repeal that somewhere along the line?


12 posted on 10/05/2005 4:40:00 AM PDT by KateatRFM
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