Posted on 09/28/2005 4:44:24 PM PDT by NYer
The mystery for the the Protestant is that God desires authentic relationship (and daily fellowship) with him/her.
That is not "mystery".
David (the man after God's own heart) ... thought that it was a mystery.
I readily agree with him.
Yes, our attitude of the heart is of the ultimate importance. And since our bodies and minds and hearts are one amalgamation, our actions display our hearts (as Pope John Paul II was so clear in stating when he discussed his theology of the body). Thus, we cannot JUST have warm fuzzies inside of us! Love demands action, a giving of oneself. When we love, we naturally do - we give of ourselves to the other, as Christ did on the Cross. That is what I meant by "works of love" are necessary for salvation when I posted that yesterday.
Certainly it was the heart attitudes which distinguished the two thieves at the crucifixion ... rather than their catalogue of works (which one would assume were rather criminal).
True, but be careful. The "good" thief ALSO did "works" (I prefer deeds, as people tend to take on Paul's definition of the word). He first believed that Christ was something more than a criminal. He came to repent of his sin. He realized he had done wrong and was being justly punished. He rebuked the other crinimal. Thus, he also has a "catalog" of deeds where he showed his love of Christ. All of this, of course, was because God was working inside of this man - and the man chose to cooperate with God, being pleasing to Him. Thus, in the end, the man was pleasing to God - and was declared righteous before God - because of his faith and deeds.
Brother in Christ
OK, I will agree after further thought, but it wasn't what I had in mind intially. Thanks,
Brother in Christ
No, Scripture does not state that Peter is the rock upon the church was built. Peter's confession, "You are the Christ, the Son of God," is the rock. I do agree that the apostolic leadership continued, but it is not institutionalized in the Roman Church. It is institutionalized in the Word of God, and the living Word of God, Christ.
Stuff from Jack Chick's website isn't anti-Catholic.
Stuff from the Nazi party isn't anti-Semitic.
Stuff from the KKK isn't anti-black.
See a pattern?
it was based on my observation over the time I have read FR. (3 or 4 years)
What an ugly thread.
good comeback.
Hello there. You have been here almost 1 year haven't you?
I guess you are too new to know it is considered bad form to diss another member without pinging them to your post.
Try to do better next time OK?
The original statement was that So and so "was saved in baptism".
By that definition, there would be no need to confess your sins and ask for Gods forgiveness as you would already have had your ticket punched.
Baptism does you no good if you then go out and sin to your heart's content.
That is one thing I have not quite understood when somebody claims that they know they are saved because they have been "Born Again". When I hear that, the image of Bill Clinton pops into my mind.
Posted by warsaw44 to Cougar66
On News/Activism 09/25/2005 8:44:18 PM PDT · 284 of 469
hey little boy - have your milk and cookies and go to bed.
Posted by warsaw44 to Cougar66
On News/Activism 09/25/2005 8:39:25 PM PDT · 263 of 469
say goodbye moron
Just found these and thought they were interesting.
OP was looking for a fight. OP found what they were looking for.
The equivalent of your interpretation is, "You are 'rock', and I could really go for a chocolate malt."
Your interpretation implies that Jesus wasn't capable of forming a simple analogy in a complete sentence.
The 'rock' refers to Simon Peter. It doesn't change meaning within the same sentence.
do agree that the apostolic leadership continued, but it is not institutionalized in the Roman Church.
You have no proof that it wasn't, just a fact not in evidence.
Thank you!
Certainly it was the heart attitudes which distinguished the two thieves at the crucifixion ... rather than their catalogue of works (which one would assume were rather criminal).
True, but be careful. The "good" thief ALSO did "works" (I prefer deeds, as people tend to take on Paul's definition of the word). He first believed that Christ was something more than a criminal. He came to repent of his sin. He realized he had done wrong and was being justly punished. He rebuked the other crinimal. Thus, he also has a "catalog" of deeds where he showed his love of Christ. All of this, of course, was because God was working inside of this man - and the man chose to cooperate with God, being pleasing to Him. Thus, in the end, the man was pleasing to God - and was declared righteous before God - because of his faith and deeds.
I agree with much that you say here.
I believe that the repentant thief on the cross is an excellent example of how one's faith ... leads to works of righteousness.
In such a short span of time, ... this thief produced such works, ... and, quite naturally (i.e. ... of his new nature), ... it appears (i.e. ... he wasn't coerced into his works).
And I note ... that his faith ... preceded these works. Without his belief that Jesus was Who He said that He was, ... none of these works would have come to pass ... and none of these works preceded his faith.
This accords with my belief that genuine faith and acceptance (i.e. in Who Jesus was/is ... and what He came to accomplish) ... will produce such works as those produced by the dying thief.
If he had continued to live with such faith ... he would have produced even more works for God.
This accords with Jesus' own statement ...John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.May we all do likewise.
You are very right. We Christians need to remember that those who despise faith and those who hold it do not differentiate between Catholic and Protestant, Non Denominational and Denominational, Church going and non church going Christians. They see any profession of faith that does not conform to their agenda as intolerable.
Yes there are real disagreements between those who with a sincer and contrite heart love and serve Christ with their whole beings. But with prayer and reflection we can find common bonds in our mission to live the Gospel. Let us not forget the real enemy in our zeal to prove one Christian group right and another wrong.
The enemy is ancient and clever. So pray for each other always with charity.
My guess is that the "truth" is one of the following:
- "I want to use birth control with out guilt"
- "I want a divorce and a church wedding for bride #?"
- "I'm to lazy to study the true teachings of Christs Church so I'll believe anything someone with a bible in their hand tells me"
- "It's a whole lot easier to be a "bible believing with my self as the ultimate authority of bible interpretation than to be obedient to someone else, no matter what scripture may seem to indicate. In other words; I like being the pope!"
- "My girlfriend/boyfriend/"partner" isn't cat-o-lik and doesn't want me to be one either."
- "A priest was mean to me."
- "I just didn't "feel" Jesus in my life."
People who leave the Church in a genuine search for Christ always come back, always.
Why, thank you...
Really? I have read time and time again, that married, committed, truely practicing Catholics have fantastic sex lives that are guilt free.
We have nothing to feel guilty about. IF engaged in sex within marriage.
Where do you think the phrase "missionary position" comes from? Hmmmm? Protestant missionaries.
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