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To: RnMomof7
This would mean one was 100% saved by your works

No, that would not mean that. I need to steer my car in order to get where I am going and preserve the car, but my driving did not make the car, Toyota did.

give me a CLEAR scripture

I did. #15. If that is not clear, you cannot comprehend the scripture.

90 posted on 09/02/2005 7:04:44 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
This would mean one was 100% saved by your works
No, that would not mean that. I need to steer my car in order to get where I am going and preserve the car, but my driving did not make the car, Toyota did.

Rather like the Deist clock analogy ? God winds it up and just lets it run?

Your analogy is this

I am fully in charge of the car. What happens to the car is all my responsibility.

THAT is salvation by MY steering ( works) , 100%

James 2 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God. 24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only? 25 And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers and sending them out another way? 26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without works is dead.

THAT is NOT a salvation scripture.

The Epistles were written to the SAVED. This was a letter on how to LIVE your life in a way that men could see it (let your light SO SHINE BEFORE MEN)

Jam 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons.

Jam 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

What was James teaching the church?

Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be [ye] warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what [doth it] profit?

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

show me thy faith without thy works--if thou canst; but thou canst not SHOW, that is, manifest or evidence thy alleged ( Jam 2:14 , "say") faith without works. "Show" does not mean here to prove to me, but exhibit to me. Faith is unseen save by God. To show faith to man, works in some form or other are needed: we are justified judicially by God ( Rom 8:33 ); meritoriously, by Christ ( Isa 53:11 ); mediately, by faith ( Rom 5:1 ); evidentially, by works. The question here is not as to the ground on which believers are justified, but about the demonstration of their faith:
A. R. FAUSSETT

Would you please define the word Mercy for me ?

Also I still await a scripture that TEACHES Salvation is WORK and FAITH .

Surely Jesus would have taught that , surely it would have been preached in Acts. The Holy Spirit reveals truth H does not hide it

95 posted on 09/03/2005 7:10:13 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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