[Gerard.P]

"Just curious, how can you say that he is in communion with Rome, when you know that he is excommunicated?"

Because he's not excommunicated. JPII could say that the sky is orange but that doesn't make it orange. "Implied schism" is one of the howlers of the nonsense that is the "Ecclesia Dei" document.

[clueless123]

You did not answer my question. I repeat: How can you say that Bp. Williamson and Co. are not excommunicated? Are you going to contend that the excommunications are not valid? There is evidence, I repeat EVIDENCE, that the excommunications are valid. The paper exists. How can you deny the existence of a solid?

Does anybody else have any ideas?

[mirabile_dictu]

OK, I'll bite. In what context are these justified? Please provide the context, or correct the words and ideas which we have "misconstrued".

"Arab terrorists... are in turn mere instruments of God who uses them for the salvation of souls."
-- Richard Williamson, October 2001

"[T]here was not one Jew killed in the gas chambers. It was all lies, lies, lies. The Jews created the Holocaust so we would prostrate ourselves on our knees before them and approve of their new State of Israel...."
-- Richard Williamson, 1989

[Teófilo]

Because he's not excommunicated. JPII could say that the sky is orange but that doesn't make it orange. "Implied schism" is one of the howlers of the nonsense that is the "Ecclesia Dei" document.

Hmmm. Let me see:

From the Office of the Congregation for Bishops, 1 July 1988.

Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop-Bishop Emeritus of Tulle, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning of 17 June last and the repeated appeals to desist from his intention, has performed a schismatical act by the episcopal consecration of four priests, without pontifical mandate and contrary to the will of the Supreme Pontiff, and has therefore incurred the penalty envisaged by Canon 1364, paragraph 1, and canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law.

Having taken account of all the juridical effects, I declare that the above-mentioned Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, and Bernard Pellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta have incurred ipso facto excommunication latae sententiae reserved to the Apostolic See.

Moreover, I declare that Monsignor Antonio de Castro Mayer, Bishop emeritus of Campos, since he took part directly in the liturgical celebration as co-consecrator and adhered publicly to the schismatical act, has incurred excommunication latae sententiae as envisaged by canon 1364, paragraph 1.

The priests and faithful are warned not to support the schism of Monsignor Lefebvre, otherwise they shall incur ipso facto the very grave penalty of excommunication.

From the Office of the Congregation for Bishops, 1 July 1988.

--BERNARDINUS Card. GANTIN

Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops

I think that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quack likes a duck, it must be a duck!

Bad news for you, Mr. P! The sky is orange. -Theo