Floriduh voter's Miracle on 66th Street

8mmMauser

[8mmMauser]

Floriduh Voter had a serious car accident this afternoon on 66th St. by Hospice and is lucky to be alive. FV's car went airborne after being hit and there were no brakes. She flew north onto a median and the car wouldn't stop - something told her to put the car in park and to take the key out. FV ended up in southward oncoming traffic facing north. Good Samaritans directed traffic around her car. (FV lost downforce when the impact took out the back windshield). The guy who hit FV was a half block south with the cops and paramedics. FV travelled a half a block, sometimes in mid-air. It was a miracle. Her car didn't make it but FV's going to take it easy for awhile. She REFUSED to sign a Living Will at the er. That was the first document shoved in her face.

For those following Terri Schiavo stories, this is very near the Hospice where Terri died.

I have no details whatsoever at this time except what I included here, will just add them if I get them or others as it comes in. FV could sure use some prayers and support.

8mm

[walford]

Your point is well-taken. When someone is freshly hurt, that is not the time to be taking life-or-death decisions.

But I'm sure that you will agree that we should all make our wishes known and formally recorded rather than leaving the matter to be settled by a judge.

[Ohioan from Florida]

LOL! That just made my day...even better!

Thanks so much! :-)

[yellowdoghunter]

I think some people are upset that they can no longer post on FR.....some of them can't seem to get over it. Constantly talking about FR and Freepers on their silly little websites that have hardly any members.....none of these people mean enough to me to go to another board and speak ill of them. Oh well, let them post their drivel elsewhere and use up someone else's bandwidth......I guess there is plenty of bandwidth to go around when there are only a few people posting to each other over and over....:)

[Sun]

"Sun, to put everyone's mind at ease:
I work in an emergency room. We NEVER and I repeat NEVER ask ANYONE to sign a Living Will. If someone is going to be admitted into the hospital they are asked if they have one. This is standard operationg procedure throughout all the hospitals in the US. If there are ER's that ask people to sign Living Wills this is not ROUTINE, at least NOT YET."

Thanks for your input. Maybe it's just a few hospitals that ask for a living will to be signed.

[Sun]

If you download a WILL TO LIVE from nrlc.org, you can't go wrong, IMO.

I'm just asking folks to be careful.

For instance, (what I read from priests for life) If you say: "I don't want to be put on a respirator" could mean one thing if it would only prolong imminent death for months on end (extraordinary means), but quite another if it would only be needed for 48 hours after an accident, and the person could be restored to normal health.

[T'wit]

>> I think some people are upset that they can no longer post on FR....

Participation in this forum is a privilege. I see no reason to extend the privilege to those who refuse to follow the simple rules of the Free Republic or the courtesies of grown-up discussion.

[GreenHornet]

My prayers are with this woman this evening.

[bjs1779]

BTW did anyone else notice a certain aura of ozone?

Do you mean someone here was hit by one of these?

[Salvation]

Thanks for the update. FV, take care of yourself. And we thank you, God, for delivering this wonderful young lady into the safety net provided by the hands of your angels. Amen!

[BykrBayb]

Prayer bump!

[floriduh voter]

Hi, freepers. I'm still taking it easy but let me tell you what... other doors opened this week that may lead to good fortune unrelated to the scary car accident. When freepers pray, they don't mess around. Thanks for all of your prayers.

I'll need to catch up on this thread tomorrow. (by the way, the MOSI exhibit of corpses, what did Jeb say "It's artistic." Unreal, isn't it?) I see on another thread that Greer and the 2nd dca made so many errors that it's from difficult to impossible to keep track of them all.

INCOMPETENCE AND INDIFFERENCE KILLS WONDERFUL PEOPLE.

[floriduh voter]

Thanks again. FV

[BykrBayb]

So happy to hear the prayers are working. When you get a round tuit, could you freepmail me the details of those new doors that opened?

Did Jeb really say those mutilated corpses are "artistic?" How sick is that?

Those judicial mistakes won't make much if any difference to the advocates of forced euthanasia. They will continue to insist that those errors were legally required.

God bless you FV, and keep feeling better.

[floriduh voter]

Thanks for everything. FV

[Sun]

So glad you are feeling better, FV.

Welcome back! :)

God bless!

[floriduh voter]

kinda sorta back. There's some new stuff on TEJ. HINO lied and the legal system here is trying to ruin a young attorney's life. www.theempirejournal.com

They go for the jugular here.

[floriduh voter]

Qatar news on line against embryonic stem cell research and against Terri being murdered by the state of Florida.

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/commentary/commentaryother.asp?file=augustcommentary302005.xml

[BykrBayb]

That's an xml document, and I've heard that a lot of computers can't read xml documents, so I'm reposting the text here.

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http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/commentary/commentaryother.asp?file=augustcommentary302005.xml

Crossing the stem cell line (by DAVID GELERNTER)

I WOULD love to join Senate Majority Bill Frist and many other conservatives who have decided to support federal funding for wide-ranging research in a hugely promising new area-embryonic stem cells. I’d love to, but I can’t.

Stem cells can be made to generate nearly any type of human tissue, including types that might cure disease and save lives. They are taken from human embryos that are destroyed in the process. But the results might help alleviate horrific human suffering.

In 2001, the Bush administration sponsored legislation to allow federal funding of stem cell research. But funded research was restricted to the stem cell colonies in existence at that time. Frist and others would expand funding to cover new stem cell lines created from frozen embryos left over from fertility treatments, embryos that would otherwise be discarded. (It’s possible that new techniques could yield stem cells without destroying embryos, but those techniques are still experimental.)

Why would anyone oppose Frist’s new position? Because embryos are potential infants just as infants are potential adults. The human embryo is a tightly closed bud that will bloom one day if we let it. The difference between bud and blossom is only luck and time. If it seems OK to destroy embryos but not full-term foetuses, that’s only because embryos look less human. The distinction rests not on justice but on squeamishness.

But this isn’t my reason for opposing expanded stem cell funding. I am willing, in principle, to lean on a distinction between “potential” life (such as embryos) and actual life outside the womb. Both must be protected; but actual life ranks higher. If there were nothing more to consider, I’d be willing to use doomed embryos to search for lifesaving new technologies. Reality often forces us to choose between imperfect alternatives.

But to go down that road, I must be able to trust the American public to draw a line and forbid science to step over it.

The doomed frozen embryos Frist is eyeing were created with no thought of mining them for stem cells. But the obvious next step might be to let scientists breed embryos specifically for research, or buy them from dealers. To support Frist, you must be sure that Americans will never permit these ghastly next steps.

Why “ghastly”? Because we can never permit the creation of human life with the intent of using and then killing it. We have no right to construct a world in which two kinds of human embryo exist, one immeasurably precious and the other designed to be cut up for parts. We’d be turning “all men are created equal” into the ugliest kind of lie.

Can we trust the American public to forbid the creation of disposable human life? Can we trust ourselves to forbid the premeditated destruction of weak and helpless potential human beings?

No, and the Terri Schiavo case proves it.

Schiavo was weak, helpless, gravely brain-damaged, “dimly wakeful,” unable to feed herself-but not dying. Her parents loved her, and she (they believed) continued to love them.

Yet various courts ruled at her husband’s request that her life wasn’t worth living. And so her caregivers were ordered to stop feeding her. “Even a chip of ice to relieve the pain of a parched mouth and throat was judicially prohibited,” wrote Dr Paul McHugh in Commentary magazine, “and local sheriffs were alerted to prevent it.” She died slowly of dehydration. Surveys suggested that the American public didn’t care to interfere, and disapproved of politicians who tried to.

Can this same public be trusted to tell the biomedical establishment “this far and no further”? Of course not. When hard moral judgments were required, whatever the “experts” said was good enough for us. We refused to interfere and draw a line. And so we have no right to allow science to set off down this road.

I have permanent, debilitating injuries that stem cell research might conceivably help. But rejecting research that might help you personally is dirt-easy compared to rejecting research that might help a suffering family member. When Americans campaign for unrestricted stem cell research out of despairing love, I can’t blame them any more than I can blame Terri Schiavo’s parents for pleading for their daughter’s life.

How much do our moral scruples really matter to us in the end? An agonising question.

But I can’t line up with Frist, much as I would like to.


-LAT-WP

[floriduh voter]

Smarter in Qatar ping. Check out bb's post from Qatar. They oppose embryonic stem cell research and were against Terri's brutal killing.

[MonteMar]

Sorry it took me so long to come to the party. I am so happy that you are okay, and really was worried sick about you. Glad you are among the living.

-Montemar