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Dear Maximilian,

"Not long ago a famous NFP promoter was recommending that teenage brothers and sisters chart together."

Now, that isn't exactly the case, as I recall, and you're failing to provide any context, as well.

The gentleman in question went out of his way to state that he did NOT endorse the idea, but rather that he knew of a family where this had been done, and that he could not say that it was an inherently bad thing. Nonetheless, he specifically and explicitly refused to endorse the practice.

I know because I personally e-mailed the gentleman and had a correspondence about it with him.

However, even that's only half the story.

The other half is that every single poster here at FreeRepublic, without exception, including every Catholic who thinks NFP is a good thing, thought that even SUGGESTING this might not be inherently evil was plain old wacko.

EVERYONE found the suggestion abhorrent.

This is a poor example to show that NFP acts to destroy the qualities of modesty and delicacy.

sitetest

Now, that isn't exactly the case, as I recall, and you're failing to provide any context, as well.

I'm reasonably certain that in fact it was the case. Here are some quotes from an older FR thread:

I agree with Maximilian. In the threads commenting on Mr. Popcak's tepid endorsement of the bizarre practices mentioned, there was really very little "radtrad" stuff, very little real trashing of NFP. The "satires" and "parodies" published by Mr. Popcak's defenders have grossly exaggerated these remarks, and have entirely ignored the valid criticisms of Mr. Popcak's endorsement.
In fact, through their poorly-written and quite unfunny "parodies" and "satires", as well as their straightforward posts, Mr. Popcak and his defenders have endeavored to give the impression that there are no real, rational, reasonable criticisms of the bizarre practice at issue. They have tried to minimize opposition to this immoral and imprudent practice to the "ick" factor.
The threads concerning Mr. Popcak's lukewarm endorsement of teenaged boys charting their moms and sisters were mostly reasonsed, calm, and rational, and mostly did not include wholesale, hysterical denunciations of NFP. Yet these "parodies" and "satires" exaggerate greatly the bad posts, and refuse to acknowledge the good posts which predominated in these threads.
Further, of what I've seen, Mr. Popcak and his defenders have refused to even acknowledge that opposition to this bizarre idea is not just rooted in emotional response, but is reasoned and rational.
I didn't mind Mr. Popcak's negative reaction to the posters who were trashing him. I don't mind criticism by others of folks who have acted uncharitably. But first, those who have defended Mr. Popcak have made it seem like only the "radtrads" (gee, I hate that term) oppose Mr. Popcak's recommendation. That is untrue. Just about everyone who commented at FR on this issue has commented negatively about Mr. Popcak's recommendation, from the most rad of the trads to even evil neoCatholic Novus Ordoites like sinkspur and me.

The above comments were posted by sitetest.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/971562/posts?page=42#42

I noticed this only because I stumbled across this old thread today when I was searching for something else in Google.

This is a poor example to show that NFP acts to destroy the qualities of modesty and delicacy.

Perhaps it's true that it was a poor example, and admittedly it was chosen to be extreme. But NFP of its nature, without requiring brother/sister charting, encourages a loss of modesty and delicacy. What you described as the "ick factor" applies to a lot more than just Popcak's bizarre suggestions.

Here are some more of your quotes from the old Popcak threads, which I'm posting only because they're so humorous:

I only glanced at the original thread, so I can't really comment with assurance. But is this quote from Mr. Popcak accurate, in context? "You will have to decide whether having boys record their sister's or mother's temperatures is an option for your family, but as long as the person whose chart it is (the mother or sister) is not terribly opposed to the idea (you really have to respect her opinion on this), I feel favorably toward the idea because it decreases the chances that your young teens will eroticize their sexuality."
Personally, the idea seems to me to be... demented. Like a cruel, sick joke on all involved.
I'm just having a hard time wrapping my rather limited little intolerant mind around this.
If it is in context, it's really difficult for me to imagine a reasoned defense for Mr. Popcak.
Frankly, I am so appalled by the comment, by the idea, that it makes me think to entirely discount anything and everything the gentleman has ever said or written. I thought perhaps that I was overreacting, so I asked my wife, who is, of course, a saint on earth, what she thought.
She disagreed strongly with my reaction, which was "ICK".
She emphatically states that the appropriate reaction is "EEEEWWWWW!! EEEEWWWWW!! EEEEWWWW!!"
I stand corrected.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/968177/posts?page=15#15