[Maximilian]

Now, that isn't exactly the case, as I recall, and you're failing to provide any context, as well.

I'm reasonably certain that in fact it was the case. Here are some quotes from an older FR thread:

I agree with Maximilian. In the threads commenting on Mr. Popcak's tepid endorsement of the bizarre practices mentioned, there was really very little "radtrad" stuff, very little real trashing of NFP. The "satires" and "parodies" published by Mr. Popcak's defenders have grossly exaggerated these remarks, and have entirely ignored the valid criticisms of Mr. Popcak's endorsement.

In fact, through their poorly-written and quite unfunny "parodies" and "satires", as well as their straightforward posts, Mr. Popcak and his defenders have endeavored to give the impression that there are no real, rational, reasonable criticisms of the bizarre practice at issue. They have tried to minimize opposition to this immoral and imprudent practice to the "ick" factor.

The threads concerning Mr. Popcak's lukewarm endorsement of teenaged boys charting their moms and sisters were mostly reasonsed, calm, and rational, and mostly did not include wholesale, hysterical denunciations of NFP. Yet these "parodies" and "satires" exaggerate greatly the bad posts, and refuse to acknowledge the good posts which predominated in these threads.

Further, of what I've seen, Mr. Popcak and his defenders have refused to even acknowledge that opposition to this bizarre idea is not just rooted in emotional response, but is reasoned and rational.

I didn't mind Mr. Popcak's negative reaction to the posters who were trashing him. I don't mind criticism by others of folks who have acted uncharitably. But first, those who have defended Mr. Popcak have made it seem like only the "radtrads" (gee, I hate that term) oppose Mr. Popcak's recommendation. That is untrue. Just about everyone who commented at FR on this issue has commented negatively about Mr. Popcak's recommendation, from the most rad of the trads to even evil neoCatholic Novus Ordoites like sinkspur and me.

The above comments were posted by sitetest.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/971562/posts?page=42#42

I noticed this only because I stumbled across this old thread today when I was searching for something else in Google.

This is a poor example to show that NFP acts to destroy the qualities of modesty and delicacy.

Perhaps it's true that it was a poor example, and admittedly it was chosen to be extreme. But NFP of its nature, without requiring brother/sister charting, encourages a loss of modesty and delicacy. What you described as the "ick factor" applies to a lot more than just Popcak's bizarre suggestions.

[sitetest]

Dear Maximilian,

First, I didn't say that the gentleman and his defenders didn't react irrationally in public to the criticism heaped upon them here at FR, although thank you for making one of my points, that the criticism here at FR was so deafening that the gentleman in question felt the need to activate his army of defenders against we evil FReepers. I don't remember that even a single long-time member of FR's Catholic group said other than, "Yech." Whether they were "trads," "NFPers," "neoCaths," or "providentialists." As I recall, condemnation was universal.

As well, in offering his defense, he and his defenders tried to paint us all as "radtrads" (which still tickles my funny bone to this day).

The gentleman and his defenders did defend zealously their failure to condemn this bizarre practice (and the gentleman did, indeed, absolutely refuse to condemn it), and their defense of their failure was really over the top.

However, I think I may have written that post before I corresponded with the gentleman. I'll review the thread when I have a chance (I'm about to do some grilling for dinner).

In my correspondence with the gentleman, he made very clear that although he was unwilling to condemn the bizarre practice, and was even willing to offer a theoretical defense of it, he was unwilling to endorse or recommend it, in practice, to anyone.

"But NFP of its nature, without requiring brother/sister charting, encourages a loss of modesty and delicacy."

It can. I don't see that it must.

"What you described as the 'ick factor' applies to a lot more than just Popcak's bizarre suggestions."

I agree, but I don't see it as intrinsic to the practice of NFP.


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