Posted on 08/04/2005 10:33:45 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
KING: Touch another base on guy marriage. If gays -- we have a gay say on this show, they want to enter the world of your world. They support family. They don't want to jump from one partner to another, they want marriage. Why deny it to them? They want what you have. What's wrong with it?
LAURIE: Because I don't think it's God's natural order that he created, Larry. The Bible says that God created men and women in his image. And not good is the aloneness of men, and he brought the woman to be the companion to the man, the man to the woman.
And, you know, as a Christian, as an American, I feel that gay people have the right to make their own choices. But at the same time, I think having a marriage is taking away from the original purpose intent of it as presented in scripture.
KING: But do you think gay makes a choice to be gay?
LAURIE: I do.
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KING: But we have had other changes occur the other way, too, right? A person married with four kids and one day wakes up and determines that he had homosexual leanings. How do you explain that?
LAURIE: Well, I think that we all have choices. And we all have leanings to do a lot of things. But that doesn't mean that we should give in to those leanings.
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Looks like one of the better interviews I've seen on Larry King..
I do take exception to the following:
***KING:Pastor Parsley, crying for a dead person, is selfish?
PARSLEY: Of course. You're crying because you are going to miss them.***
I wouldn't call it selfish. There is a time to mourn.
Here's a good exchange:
LUCADO: Absolutely. And everything passes through God's sovereign hand. And so God then can take what man intends for evil and turn it into something that's good.
KING: You all agree with that?
LAURIE: Yeah. You know, Larry, I had a lady come into our office Sunday morning after the service and she had breast cancer. And it was that suffering that got her attention to get her to come back to church and to start seeking a spiritual life and getting right with God. And I think of the psalmist who writes, "before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I have kept your word." And CS Lewis said, "God whispers to us in our pleasure, but he shouts to us in our pain. Pain is God's megaphone."
KING: How do you know it's not a crutch? I mean, I have got breast cancer, I've got to pray to something. You know, every believe in the fox hole.
LAURIE: Thank God for that crutch. Larry, he's not a crutch to me, he's a whole hospital.
KING: We'll be back with more. Good line. Write that down. We'll be back with more moments. Don't go away.
It was Larry King who called it selfish and in a sense it is. That is what Parsley was saying. He was not saying that there is not a time to mourn, but he was saying that for the departed it is a time of celebration in heaven. It is selfish because we who are left behind would prefer to drag them back from heaven to be with us. In that sense morning is selfish. And we all do it.
These guys overall were pretty strong and didn't waiver in their firmly held beliefs.
Joel Osteen was scheduled to be on, but apparently he was predestinated to miss it.
Great exchange in that portion
KING: But do you think gay makes a choice to be gay?
LAURIE: I do.
KING: Why would any choose it?
LAURIE: That's a good question. There's probably a lot of things that can get into it. I suppose it would depend on who you ask. I mean, i've talked to people and I've ask them. And they would say it's because they felt that perhaps they were oriented that way as a younger person. And others said, oh, you must be gay. But maybe they were oriented that way, maybe they weren't.
I have a letter from a person that wrote me the other day, who said they went to a guy rights rally in the afternoon and came to one of our events in the night and made a commitment to Christ and nine years have passed and that person is married, has children and is going to the Philippines as a missionary. So, if he is born that way and has no choice, how is it he was able to make that change.
KING: But we have had other changes occur the other way, too, right? A person married with four kids and one day wakes up and determines that he had homosexual leanings. How do you explain that?
LAURIE: Well, I think that we all have choices. And we all have leanings to do a lot of things. But that doesn't mean that we should give in to those leanings.
LAURIE: Well, I think that we all have choices. And we all have leanings to do a lot of things. But that doesn't mean that we should give in to those leanings.
I wish somebody, ANYBODY, would say that homosexuality is not a worse sin than any other, and that somehow it's taken out of context on the eternal scale. No I don't want to see homosexuality have a prominent position in American society, BUT, I wish any of these guys would not allow someone like King to make it such a hot-button issue when in reality, all sin damns, not just homosexuality. As such I'm disappointed in these guys. They're just stock answers that everyone in the church says.
But then again what do I know? I'm the most unpopular person on all of FR :)
I wish somebody, ANYBODY, would say that homosexuality is not a worse sin than any other, and that somehow it's taken out of context on the eternal scale. No I don't want to see homosexuality have a prominent position in American society, BUT, I wish any of these guys would not allow someone like King to make it such a hot-button issue when in reality, all sin damns, not just homosexuality. As such I'm disappointed in these guys. They're just stock answers that everyone in the church says.
But then again what do I know? I'm the most unpopular person on all of FR :)
It was King who brought up homosexuality so those pastors did not make any specific judgment in regard to the relative evil of the sin of homosexuality.
However, if someone is flaunting a sin and proclaiming it to be a virtue, then that is a much worse situation than someone who is embarrassed and ashamed of his sin. In that sense, homosexuality is a worse sin than some others because some people mock God by proclaiming it not only not to be a sin, but that it was God who made them homosexual. People don't usually do that with other sins.
People don't generally proclaim the sin of covetousness to be a virtue. They don't run around saying God made them a thief or a murderer. But they do run around saying that God made them homosexual and they are PROUD of it. That is the foundation for the gay pride movement. There is no thief pride movement. There is no adultery pride movement. There is no murderer pride movement. But this particular sin seems to have a hold on people that other sins do not. God did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because too many people were thieves or liars.
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You don't know some of the people I do. It used to be, adultery was illegal in the United States. You could get arrested for it. That's what happened to Frank Sinatra, years and years and years (and years) ago. Now, it's accepted as part of society.
God did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because too many people were thieves or liars.
Well God did flood the earth because it was filled with violence, and not necessarily because of homosexuality. God did judge Israel over and over, not necessarily because of homosexuality. I think, and I believe this is evident in your writings and the speech of the people tonight on Larry King, that the church has a VERY negative attitude towards those in the homosexual community, in a very unchristlike way. I just can't see Jesus talking to the average homosexual, the way many Christian react to them. That was my point. There was PLENTY of judgment in the Old Testament, but for EVERY SIN, not just homosexuality. But in the New Testament, we have grace. God rains upon the unjust, the adulterers, and EVEN the gay pride participants, because He's merciful, not because He's separating one sin from another. They're all paid for on the cross. NOBODY on the "expert" panel tonight on Larry King Live, tried to emphasize that for homosexuals, and that's sad, coming from people that have thousands in their churches...
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thanks marlowe - Greg is a blessing - and Im frankly jealous you have the opportunity to worship with him
What does this have to do with the "Orthodox Christian" Church (note the keyword)?
If you are ashamed of your sin you are one step closer to forgiveness. If you are proud of your sin, then you are a thousand steps closer to hell.
So I will shout this from the rooftops. HOMOSEXUALITY IS IN MANY WAYS WORSE THAN ANY OTHER SIN!!!!! I frankly wish the pastors had shouted that. But they were there to express theirown views and not yours or mine.
Now lay off the pastors. They were given a few soundbites and probably none of them share your rather unique view that homosexuality is as harmless to the soul as telling your wife she doesn't look fat in that dress.
I was hoping to convert all of you to Charismatic Protestant Christianity. Invite your friends.
Thank you, no. But let us know if you ever want to return!
I think, as I said before, there's a bias against homosexuals among some believers, that Christ didn't intend there to be. And these guys come on TV, and they're able to feed those attitudes, and come off smelling like roses, when in reality, they did harm to the whole cause of trying to lead a homosexual to Christ. It's not a political issue, as King was trying to make it, and all unbelievers will try to make it, on both sides. It's still a spiritual issue, and Christ died for those sins too, and to fail to say that, is a WORSE sin, especially for teachers of the Word.
Homosexuality is not a worse sin just because it makes you more uncomfortable than the guy lying to his wife about her appearance. Maybe the issue is in you, but I don't have any problem with homosexuals except that they're going to hell without Christ, and I'd rather tell them that God loves them as much as you and me, and that Christ died for that homosexuality, and that HE has something better for them. All the "experts" last night failed to do that, and instead, sounded quite condemning of homosexuals.
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