Ohhhh?
Then Christ's sacrifice wasn't out of love?
Also, as I said, since I accept that God is most immediately understood through His basic characteristic which is "God is Love," then I come to conclusions that others might not.
I think that everything God does can be related at some level to his love. Someone asked how consignment to hell can be loving FOR that person. The answer is a variation on the justice response. Justice is generally seen as loving for those who've been wronged. My take on it is that it's also the most positive action one can take toward th criminal.
Ergo, the best thing you can do for Manson, imho, is protect him from himself.
I would basically agree with you X. However I would take it one step further. I would submit that the person consigned to hell would rather be there than in heaven as difficult as that may seem.
For a biblical example of this I would point to the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16). Even after being thrown into hell the rich man never asked to be removed. Wouldn't one think that would have been his first request? He asked for a drop of water and that someone go back and warn his brothers; a request that was denied because even if his brothers SAW someone raised from the dead they still wouldn't believe. Do we think we can tell someone 2,000 years later about someone raising from the dead and they would believe on their own?
We've discussed God's attibutes before and while I don't agree that His CENTRAL attibute is love, God is love. You assume everyone wants to go to heaven if they could just understand the issue. I'm not sure I buy that. Certainly not the rich man's brothers. Or Judas for that matter.
There are those who do not wish to go to heaven. Others He changes our nature to desire heaven. God gives us just what we want. Wouldn't this be love?
Why are you concerned about the best thing for Charles Manson? God will punish him as He wills.
Is hell punishment or rehabilitation, x?
(Mat 5:22 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(Mat 5:29-30 KJV) And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. {30} And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
(Mat 10:28 KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Mat 23:33 KJV) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
(Luke 16:23 KJV) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(Luke 16:28 KJV) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(Mat 3:10 KJV) And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
(Mat 3:12 KJV) Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
(Mat 13:40 KJV) As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
(Mat 13:42 KJV) And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(Mat 13:50 KJV) And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(Mat 18:8 KJV) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
(Mat 25:41 KJV) Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
(Mat 25:46 KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Mark 9:44, 46, 48 KJV) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
(Mark 9:49 KJV) For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
(Luke 16:24 KJV) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(James 3:6 KJV) And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
(Rev 14:11 KJV) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(Rev 14:10 KJV) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(Rev 20:10, 14-15 KJV) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 21:8 KJV) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Heb 10:27 KJV) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
(Jude 1:7 KJV) Even as Sodom and Gammorha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.