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Does God So Love the World? (John MacArthur)
OnePlace.com ^ | July 21, 2005 | John MacArthur

Posted on 08/01/2005 8:16:45 PM PDT by buckeyesrule

Does God So Love the World?

by: John MacArthur

Love is the best known but least understood of all God's attributes. Almost everyone who believes in God these days sees Him as a God of love. I have even met agnostics who are quite certain that if God exists, He must be benevolent, compassionate, and loving.

All those things are infinitely true about God, of course, but not in the way most people think. Because of the influence of modern liberal theology, many suppose that God's love and goodness ultimately nullify His righteousness, justice, and holy wrath. They envision God as a benign heavenly grandfather-tolerant, affable, lenient, permissive, devoid of any real displeasure over sin, who without consideration of His holiness will benignly pass over sin and accept people as they are.

Liberal thinking about God's love also permeates much of evangelicalism today. We have lost the reality of God's wrath. We have disregarded His hatred for sin. The God most evangelicals now describe is all-loving and not at all angry. We have forgotten that "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God" (Hebrews 10:31). We do not believe in that kind of God anymore.

We must recapture some of the holy terror that comes with a right understanding of God's righteous anger. We need to remember that God's wrath does burn against impenitent sinners (Psalm 38:1-3). That reality is the very thing that makes His love so amazing. Only those who see themselves as sinners in the hands of an angry God can fully appreciate the magnitude and wonder of His love.

In that regard, our generation is surely at a greater disadvantage than any previous age. We have been force-fed the doctrines of self-esteem for so long that most people don't really view themselves as sinners worthy of divine wrath. On top of that, religious liberalism, humanism, evangelical compromise, and ignorance of the Scriptures have all worked against a right understanding of who God is. Ironically, in an age that conceives of God as wholly loving, altogether devoid of wrath, few people really understand what God's love is all about.

How we address the misconception of the present age is crucial. We must not respond to an overemphasis on divine love by denying that God is love. Our generation's imbalanced view of God cannot be corrected by an equal imbalance in the opposite direction, a very real danger in some circles. I'm deeply concerned about a growing trend I've noticed-particularly among people committed to the biblical truth of God's sovereignty and divine election. Some of them flatly deny that God in any sense loves those whom He has not chosen for salvation.

I am troubled by the tendency of some-often young people newly infatuated with Reformed doctrine-who insist that God cannot possibly love those who never repent and believe. I encounter that view, it seems, with increasing frequency.

The argument inevitably goes like this: Psalm 7:11 tells us "God is angry with the wicked every day." It seems reasonable to assume that if God loved everyone, He would have chosen everyone unto salvation. Therefore, God does not love the non-elect. Those who hold this view often go to great lengths to argue that John 3:16 cannot really mean God loves the whole world.

Perhaps the best-known argument for this view is found the unabridged edition of an otherwise excellent book, The Sovereignty of God, by A. W. Pink. Pink wrote, "God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody." [1] He further argued that the word world in John 3:16 ("For God so loved the world…") "refers to the world of believers (God's elect), in contradistinction from 'the world of the ungodly.'"[2]

Pink was attempting to make the crucial point that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love. The gist of his argument is certainly valid: It is folly to think that God loves all alike, or that He is compelled by some rule of fairness to love everyone equally. Scripture teaches us that God loves because He chooses to love (Deuteronomy 7:6-7), because He is loving (God is love, 1 John 4:8), not because He is under some obligation to love everyone the same.

Nothing but God's own sovereign good pleasure compels Him to love sinners. Nothing but His own sovereign will governs His love. That has to be true, since there is certainly nothing in any sinner worthy of even the smallest degree of divine love.

Unfortunately, Pink took the corollary too far. The fact that some sinners are not elected to salvation is no proof that God's attitude toward them is utterly devoid of sincere love. We know from Scripture that God is compassionate, kind, generous, and good even to the most stubborn sinners. Who can deny that those mercies flow out of God's boundless love? It is evident that they are showered even on unrepentant sinners.

We must understand that it is God's very nature to love. The reason our Lord commanded us to love our enemies is "in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous" (Matthew 5:45). Jesus clearly characterized His Father as One who loves even those who purposefully set themselves at enmity against Him.

At this point, however, an important distinction must be made: God loves believers with a particular love. God's love for the elect is an infinite, eternal, saving love. We know from Scripture that this great love was the very cause of our election (Ephesians 2:4). Such love clearly is not directed toward all of mankind indiscriminately, but is bestowed uniquely and individually on those whom God chose in eternity past.

But from that, it does not follow that God's attitude toward those He did not elect must be unmitigated hatred. Surely His pleading with the lost, His offers of mercy to the reprobate, and the call of the gospel to all who hear are all sincere expressions of the heart of a loving God. Remember, He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but tenderly calls sinners to turn from their evil ways and live.

Reformed theology has historically been the branch of evangelicalism most strongly committed to the sovereignty of God. At the same time, the mainstream of Reformed theologians have always affirmed the love of God for all sinners. John Calvin himself wrote regarding John 3:16, "[Two] points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish." [3]

Calvin continues to explain the biblical balance that both the gospel invitation and "the world" that God loves are by no means limited to the elect alone. He also recognized that God's electing, saving love is uniquely bestowed on His chosen ones.

Those same truths, reflecting a biblical balance, have been vigorously defended by a host of Reformed stalwarts, including Thomas Boston, John Brown, Andrew Fuller, W. G. T. Shedd, R. L. Dabney, B. B. Warfield, John Murray, R. B. Kuiper, and many others. In no sense does belief in divine sovereignty rule out the love of God for all humanity.

We are seeing today, in some circles, an almost unprecedented interest in the doctrines of the Reformation and the Puritan eras. I'm very encouraged by that in most respects. A return to those historic truths is, I'm convinced, absolutely necessary if the church is to survive. Yet there is a danger when overzealous souls misuse a doctrine like divine sovereignty to deny God's sincere offer of mercy to all sinners.

We must maintain a carefully balanced perspective as we pursue our study of God's love. God's love cannot be isolated from His wrath and vice versa. Nor are His love and wrath in opposition to each other like some mystical yin-yang principle. Both attributes are constant, perfect, without ebb or flow. His wrath coexists with His love; therefore, the two never contradict. Such are the perfections of God that we can never begin to comprehend these things. Above all, we must not set them against one another, as if there were somehow a discrepancy in God.

Both God's wrath and His love work to the same ultimate end-His glory. God is glorified in the condemnation of the wicked; He is glorified in every expression of love for all people without exception; and He is glorified in the particular love He manifests in saving His people.

Expressions of wrath and expressions of love-all are necessary to display God's full glory. We must never ignore any aspect of His character, nor magnify one to the exclusion of another. When we commit those errors, we throw off the biblical balance, distort the true nature of God, and diminish His real glory.

Does God so love the world? Emphatically-yes! Proclaim that truth far and wide, and do so against the backdrop of God's perfect wrath that awaits everyone who does not repent and turn to Christ.

Does the love of God differ in the breadth and depth and manner of its expression? Yes it does. Praise Him for the many manifestations of His love, especially toward the non-elect, and rejoice in the particular manifestation of His saving love for you who believe. God has chosen to display in you the glory of His redeeming grace.

[1]Arthur W. Pink, The Sovereignty of God (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1930), 29-30.

[2]Ibid., 314.

[3]John Calvin, Commentary on a Harmony of the Evangelists, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, William Pringle, trans. (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1979 reprint), 123.

Adapted from The God Who Loves © 2001 by John MacArthur. All rights reserved.

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To: RnMomof7

Well, He loved (agape) Jesus, His son, and had Him crucified for me. I admit I can't wrap my mind around that incongruity.


461 posted on 08/03/2005 1:15:24 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan
I think John 3:16 is rightly viewed by BBW.

To believe that God the Father would send his son to die for the sins of the whole world, in a universal sense, is put the Trinity at odds with one another, since the Holy Spirit does not follow through by saving everyone that Jesus would have died for.

462 posted on 08/03/2005 1:23:35 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (From everlasting Thou art God, To endless years the same.)
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To: stuartcr
I will be back tomorrow, and I look forward to someone explaing why God made this waterfall for His creations.

God created in man something that can demostrate his fantastic glory. All of creation (apart from mankind) is glorious. However, trees, rocks and base animals, fall short of the ability to recognize and appreciate God's creative skills, and worship Him as He, the Artist desires and deserves.

Man was created so that he could do this and worship his creator.

However, Man must have the ability to reject God. If he lacks this ability, he is just another rock, tree, base animal.

God foreknew that man would reject Him and without the threat of the waterfall of eternal damnation, mankind would continue to ignore and reject God.

God also planned for the death of His Son on the cross for mankind's redemption - an even weightier reason for mankind to appreciate and worship Him.

463 posted on 08/03/2005 1:24:05 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: blue-duncan
Well, He loved (agape) Jesus, His son, and had Him crucified for me. I admit I can't wrap my mind around that incongruity.

First and foremost the cross vindicated the righteousness of God and secondly saved the elect. His agape love is no guarantee that the world will not have tribulation or pain .. the REAL PROOF of that love of the Father was in the resurrection of the Son, and in the Resurrection of the elect when Christ returns

You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity

464 posted on 08/03/2005 1:29:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: Bear_Slayer
God foreknew that man would reject Him and without the threat of the waterfall of eternal damnation, mankind would continue to ignore and reject God.
God also planned for the death of His Son on the cross for mankind's redemption - an even weightier reason for mankind to appreciate and worship Him.

But he did not know if that cross would save anyone did he?

465 posted on 08/03/2005 1:31:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: Buggman
Thank you. I can't say that it is original, though. I've picked it up along the way.

It does seem to offer a satisfactory answer to the elect vs. freewill question; both of which are taught in the bible. God bless.

466 posted on 08/03/2005 1:31:27 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: RnMomof7
I'm not sure I understand the direction of your question.

He either has all knowledge or he doesn't. If he does, then surely he knew who would repent and believe.

467 posted on 08/03/2005 1:32:59 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: Bear_Slayer

The plan of salvation was from before the creation of the earth.

Before men were created, so God did not know if anyone would come right? It might be that Christ died and not one man chose to repent and believe.


468 posted on 08/03/2005 1:35:18 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: stuartcr

Sometimes I struggle with this too.

You may get the response, "Because God wills it to be so, because God is God (you aren't), etc.", but while true, these kinds of comments don't really *explain* it.

I don't think any living human knows the full explanation to this one. (And if he claims to, don't trust him.)


469 posted on 08/03/2005 1:37:26 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: RnMomof7
The plan of salvation was from before the creation of the earth.

Yes, but his omniscience existed before the creation or it's not true omniscience.

It might be that Christ died and not one man chose to repent and believe.

I suspect that Jesus would have died even if not one person would repent and believe. The cross demostrates his mercy and judgment. He would be righteous and merciful eveni if no one was willing to receive salvation.

470 posted on 08/03/2005 1:39:44 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: k2blader
A satisfactory answer
471 posted on 08/03/2005 1:42:09 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (Montani semper liberi !)
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To: Bear_Slayer

A nice answer, but it still doesn't explain *why* God creates people knowing they will ultimately suffer terribly.


472 posted on 08/03/2005 1:46:06 PM PDT by k2blader (Hic sunt dracones..)
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To: Bear_Slayer; RnMomof7; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Buggman
I suspect that Jesus would have died even if not one person would repent and believe. The cross demostrates his mercy and judgment. He would be righteous and merciful eveni if no one was willing to receive salvation.

Excellent point Bear_Slayer. And it points out the false argument of saying the cross was meaningless if no one responded.

To say it was only meaningful because of those it saved is to imply that we were worth saving. Which of course gets back to our earlier questions of why some of the GRPLS think there was something about us that was pleasing to God.

The more correct way is to know that God always knew who would be saved by the cross. And he knew those who would chose to reject it, even though it was freely offered.

473 posted on 08/03/2005 1:50:13 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: RnMomof7

"You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity"

The same way He heard His Son cry out on the cross. No one understands the ways of God or the mind of God or how He acts towards all of His creation. How He deals with those who have rejected His offer of love and salvation is beyond anything we can think or imagine, just the same way we can't fathom what it will be like spending eternity with Him. We see these things only darkly and to presume to know all about His love and its application to His "world", to me, is hubris.


474 posted on 08/03/2005 2:00:25 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: suzyjaruki

"To believe that God the Father would send his son to die for the sins of the whole world, in a universal sense, is put the Trinity at odds with one another, since the Holy Spirit does not follow through by saving everyone that Jesus would have died for."

But that is what he is saying, it appears.


475 posted on 08/03/2005 2:02:17 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: Bear_Slayer
I suspect that Jesus would have died even if not one person would repent and believe.

... or ... if even one would.

476 posted on 08/03/2005 2:31:08 PM PDT by Quester (When in doubt ... trust God!)
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To: stuartcr; xzins; blue-duncan; Bear_Slayer; Dr. Eckleburg; Corin Stormhands
I do not believe there is a waterfall of destruction...

Imagine that.

Then you must believe that either there is no heaven as well or you do not believe that God is just.

but I am concerned with why others believe there is.

I think that correctly not believing in hell is a much more dangerous position to be in than incorrectly believing that there will not be such a place.

This concern stems from the fact that I have seen many people spend much time and effort trying to avoid it, I would like to know why.

Actually most people are spending their time and effort doing all they can to avoid going to heaven. Avoiding hell is easy and requires no effort whatsoever. IMO, avoiding heaven, resisting the saving call of the gospel of Christ, thumbing your nose at the creator of the universe, resisting the Holy Spirit takes a lot of effort and is clearly not worth the reward.

477 posted on 08/03/2005 2:55:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: RnMomof7; blue-duncan

RnMom:"You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity."

Interesting point RnMom! Assuming one agrees that he does not love those writhing in hell, how could God possibly love them while on earth and then suddenly make an about face when they pass on. This would imply that God changes his mind???

Although completely off subject, what does this say about God's attitude for the elect before vs. after they repent and believe? I would suppose that God, in his eternal view of His creation, loves the elect even prior to their calling...


478 posted on 08/03/2005 3:29:57 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: visually_augmented
I would suppose that God, in his eternal view of His creation, loves the elect even prior to their calling...

The gist of the article is that MacArthur believes that God so loved the whole world... including the reprobates.

I take it you would disagree with MacArthur on that point? I take it that you believe that God has no love whatsoever for those he does not elect?

479 posted on 08/03/2005 3:44:25 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: stuartcr; xzins; blue-duncan; Bear_Slayer; Dr. Eckleburg; Corin Stormhands
Correction:

I think that correctly not believing in hell is a much more dangerous position to be in than incorrectly believing that there will not be such a place.

480 posted on 08/03/2005 3:47:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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