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To: blue-duncan
Well, He loved (agape) Jesus, His son, and had Him crucified for me. I admit I can't wrap my mind around that incongruity.

First and foremost the cross vindicated the righteousness of God and secondly saved the elect. His agape love is no guarantee that the world will not have tribulation or pain .. the REAL PROOF of that love of the Father was in the resurrection of the Son, and in the Resurrection of the elect when Christ returns

You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity

464 posted on 08/03/2005 1:29:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: RnMomof7

"You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity"

The same way He heard His Son cry out on the cross. No one understands the ways of God or the mind of God or how He acts towards all of His creation. How He deals with those who have rejected His offer of love and salvation is beyond anything we can think or imagine, just the same way we can't fathom what it will be like spending eternity with Him. We see these things only darkly and to presume to know all about His love and its application to His "world", to me, is hubris.


474 posted on 08/03/2005 2:00:25 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: RnMomof7; blue-duncan

RnMom:"You need to tell me how God can agape the people he listens to scream day and night for eternity."

Interesting point RnMom! Assuming one agrees that he does not love those writhing in hell, how could God possibly love them while on earth and then suddenly make an about face when they pass on. This would imply that God changes his mind???

Although completely off subject, what does this say about God's attitude for the elect before vs. after they repent and believe? I would suppose that God, in his eternal view of His creation, loves the elect even prior to their calling...


478 posted on 08/03/2005 3:29:57 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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