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**Therefore, the validity and efficacy of the sacrament do not depend upon the holiness or orthodoxy of the minister; rather the validity and efficacy are independent of the subjective constitution of the minister.**

Subjective?

2 posted on 07/23/2005 9:58:39 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

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**Succinctly, to deny the belief of transubstantiation is heresy.**

BTTT!

3 posted on 07/23/2005 9:59:35 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)

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How many heretical, drunk, fornicating, proud etc. ministers could dance on the point of a needle?

5 posted on 07/23/2005 10:05:41 AM PDT by GSlob

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