Posted on 07/13/2005 12:49:13 AM PDT by dsc
Quite typical in the "school story" tradition, one that never became that popular in America (probably because boarding schools aren't that common for the middle class). Of American school stories, I recall only Billie Bradley and Betty Gordon (I never read boys' childrens' books), and even they're pretty old (IIRC, about 1910-1920); I'm not sure there are any current American school stories.
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I've met a couple of this type of girl who were out flirty fishing. I knew what it was, so I didn't indulge, but I enjoyed talking to them, and I've found women from these kinds of cults can be really smart (although that seems strange!). McGowan herself has had a good career, and she sounds buttoned-down now, regardless of her past. I'd face the peril! ![]() |
Good post Jen.
From the human imagination can come creativity and invention, or fear and superstition.
You make an excellent point, which is why I have been slow to condemn Harry Potter, and recommend it be read with parentla guidance, rather than prohibited.
But that is also part of the allure of evil. Did not the Left assert itself in our adult world by first insisting on mere tolerance of evil? "Gee, the liberals are nicer than those conservatives who always seem to want to ban something." How fast does tolerance change to defense, and then to promotion, and then to intolerance?
We should teach our children that love means guarding against evil, not tolerance.
"That can make for a very interesting book, such as Lolita."
Just shows to go ya, what people like is not always good for them.
And that's where the parents become involved.
Look, I've argued this before the last book and the time before that. The parents should always be involved and should be well informed about what they are reading.
But you've got two issues here.
1) The majority of the detractors on this thread are against HP because of the witchcraft. Take that out and most of them wouldn't care ~or wouldn't know~ of Harry's moral dilemmas.
2) As far as children not understanding Harry's morality, I think you underestimate most children who are capable of reading these books.
And, when Harry breaks the rules, for the right or wrong reasons, there are always consequences. What better lesson can we be teaching our children?
If our founding fathers couldn't have accepted the fact that sometimes you break the rules for the right reasons, then we'd all be speaking English today.
Harry doesn't "get away" with anything.
Want kids not to read Harry Potter? Write something better.
Wow, that's the answer. ("Don't like abortion? Become a Supreme Court justice!")
Because we don't have the inspired works of Tolkien and Lewis being produced anew today, we're not allowed to give guidance on things that steer children towards evil?
You found another one of what? And why would the Admin Moderator care?
"Will and Grace" doesn't tell children to become homosexual, either. Would you get your kids the box set for Christmas because it's admittedly laugh-out-loud funny at times?
My mother was hesitant about giving us Harry Potter, so waaaay back when she had me read the books to see what I thought. She's read them all since. My father thinks they're just silly, but considering what he's given me to read he'd have no problem with them. Fer cryin' out loud, they gave me "Dune" to read when I was twelve!
And yet my sibs and I are turning out ok, we're not turning wiccan or anything. Why is that, if Harry Potter is such a powerful lure to the occult? Maybe because they bothered to teach us what's important?
I reiterate again; parents who are teaching their children the way they should go, have nothing to fear. Children who are not being taught so have more to worry about than Harry Potter.
Whatever turns you on, brother. You're an adult, you make your own decisions. Kids don't have the same tools to avoid going down the wrong path and depend on their parents and (to a lesser extent) the expectations of society to form their conscience.
Ummmm...maybe you should try the decaf.
That Neal Boortz story was satire. AFAIK, no one has committed suicide because of the revealed or not revealed endings to the Harry Potter books.
AND, if someone did there's a lot more stuff going on there than just Harry Potter.
Since I don't have kids, I'll think about that in context with my younger brothers. No. First off, it's television and I wouldn't promote the watching of television in most cases. Second, homosexuality is something they could concievably try. If they try the spells in Harry Potter, nothing happens.
In either case, the teaching they've recieved tells them that either is wrong. But homosexuality is a real cultural and moral sin that I wouldn't want them to get used to, and magic is not. I don't consider the silly little rites of sad chicks who can't get dates to be magic. Magic lives only inside the pages of books and most people understand that.
And a good thing too considering the number of times they've tried to use Potter-curses on me.
I agree with this statement 100%. But it's hard to find parents who are teaching their children the way they should go. My wife is an elementary teacher. The kids can do no wrong these days, according to the parents.
That didn't happen. And the Pullman series blatantly states that God is oppressive, Christianity is evil, and teen sex is the way to grow up. And because you're all focused on Harry Potter you don't even know that.
Want kids not to read Harry Potter? Write something better.
Wow, that's the answer. ("Don't like abortion? Become a Supreme Court justice!")
It IS the answer. Lewis and Tolkien once said that since there weren't enough of the books they liked, they'd have to write their own. Maybe you can't write anything better. But it's still the answer. Destroying is never the solution. Building something better is.
Then it's not like Harry Potter's their biggest problem, is it? Real things like drugs and premarital sex are going to hurt them, not books.
Hmm - I was remembering "The Time Machine". Haven't had a book of his in my hand for decades.
Agreed, but that is not the fault of J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter or even Will and Grace.
Surely you don't mean Man commits suicide after learning Harry Potter spoiler by Andy Borowitz?
JWR Contributor Andy Borowitz, the first-ever recipient of the National Press Club's Award for Humor, is a former president of the Harvard Lampoon,and a regular humor columnist for Newsweek.com, The New Yorker, The New York Times and TV Guide. Recognized by Esquire magazine as one of the most powerful producers in television, he was the creator and producer of the hit TV series The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and producer of the Oscar-nominated film Pleasantville.
I admire Tolkien and C.S.Lewis and consider their books uplifting for children and adults not because they have the label "Christian" but because (a) they were actually good writers, especially Tolkien, and (b) their books are not only finely crafted, but lead the reader a little higher in understanding, promote simple virtues, the characters go through internal struggles and become morally strong. I am not against "occultism" in books, it's like money or strength - how it is used is paramount.
Rowling's books, OTOH, are crappily written, the characters are shallow, selfish, cartoonish, there is no good or evil, just two teams. The only reason Harry is "good" is because someone "bad" wants to kill him. There is no character growth, and her use of the occult gives it a glimmer of attraction in a somewhat perverted manner. She actually did a tremendous amount of research to make it very authentic.
She appeals to the desire to have power over others, not power over self.
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