To: Siobhan; Conservative til I die; Salvation; NYer; Marcellinus
Everyone who replied so angrily to me forget the scriptures that point to married pastors:
1 Timothy 3:2, Titus 1:6
Peter himself was married. LOL, and wasn't he the first "pope"? ;)
Lastly, the scriptures say that those who FORCE celibacy (not choose, force), are teaching doctrines of DEMONS: 1 Timothy 4:3
Just because Paul preferred to be unmarried, doesn't mean that God doesn't EQUALLY use the married. Otherwise, wouldn't Paul have rejected the married pastor? He quoted the married pastor TWO TIMES.
And Jesus being unmarried is for an entirely different reason that we would be. So that example is stupid. You may as well say, hey, Jesus was sinless, why aren't you?
15 posted on
07/09/2005 10:08:32 AM PDT by
gamarob1
To: gamarob1
Jesus was also not a nosey and pushy Protestant.
Why ARE you?
17 posted on
07/09/2005 10:34:28 AM PDT by
ninenot
(Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: gamarob1
Peter himself was married. LOL, and wasn't he the first "pope"? ;)
So? This is not disputed by any Catholic. Again, it is a discipline, not a doctrine. There is a difference. The former is a changeable rule of the Church, such as celibacy or eating meat on Fridays. A doctrine is unchangeable, such as the 10 Commandments or the Trinity.
Lastly, the scriptures say that those who FORCE celibacy (not choose, force), are teaching doctrines of DEMONS: 1 Timothy 4:3
No one forces a priest into celibacy any more than they force them into becoming a priest in the first place. All seminarians know that celibacy is a condition of joining the priesthood. They freely and intentionally take a vow before God to remain celibate. There is nothing forcible about it, unless you view ALL policies, guidelines, and bylaws as "forcible".
And Jesus being unmarried is for an entirely different reason that we would be. So that example is stupid. You may as well say, hey, Jesus was sinless, why aren't you?
WHy is this stupid? Shouldn't all Christians try to remain sinless as Jesus was? Was it not Christ Himself who commanded us "IN THE BIBLE" to be perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect? Why is it stupid to try and emulate Christ?
To: gamarob1
'Lastly, the scriptures say that those who FORCE celibacy (not choose, force), are teaching doctrines of DEMONS: 1 Timothy 4:3"Very good, now show me where anyone has ever been FORCED to be a priest.
45 posted on
07/09/2005 4:02:19 PM PDT by
Romish_Papist
(The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
To: gamarob1; Siobhan; Conservative til I die; Salvation; NYer; Marcellinus
Just because Paul preferred to be unmarried, doesn't mean that God doesn't EQUALLY use the married. Otherwise, wouldn't Paul have rejected the married pastor? He quoted the married pastor TWO TIMES.St. Paul highly recommended that his followers be unmarried, like himself, so as not to divide their intentions. The Catholic Church has adopted that practice and kept it for the better part of 2000 years. Why should that end now on the whims of a few? A few who took a vow of celibacy and are breaking that vow. And at a time in our history when fully 1/2 of all first marriages end in divorce. What then? Should our priests marry and then remarry after divorce? How many times? How divided will their attentions then become?
You may as well say, hey, Jesus was sinless, why aren't you?
He does expect us to try.
To: gamarob1
Just because Paul preferred to be unmarried, doesn't mean that God doesn't EQUALLY use the married. Please show me the Scripture that states God EQUALLY uses married folks.
115 posted on
07/10/2005 8:02:57 PM PDT by
TradicalRC
(In vino veritas.)
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