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To: gamarob1
Peter himself was married. LOL, and wasn't he the first "pope"? ;)

So? This is not disputed by any Catholic. Again, it is a discipline, not a doctrine. There is a difference. The former is a changeable rule of the Church, such as celibacy or eating meat on Fridays. A doctrine is unchangeable, such as the 10 Commandments or the Trinity.

Lastly, the scriptures say that those who FORCE celibacy (not choose, force), are teaching doctrines of DEMONS: 1 Timothy 4:3

No one forces a priest into celibacy any more than they force them into becoming a priest in the first place. All seminarians know that celibacy is a condition of joining the priesthood. They freely and intentionally take a vow before God to remain celibate. There is nothing forcible about it, unless you view ALL policies, guidelines, and bylaws as "forcible".

And Jesus being unmarried is for an entirely different reason that we would be. So that example is stupid. You may as well say, hey, Jesus was sinless, why aren't you?

WHy is this stupid? Shouldn't all Christians try to remain sinless as Jesus was? Was it not Christ Himself who commanded us "IN THE BIBLE" to be perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect? Why is it stupid to try and emulate Christ?
26 posted on 07/09/2005 12:42:25 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die; MarMema; gamarob1; Graves; Agrarian
WHy is this stupid? Shouldn't all Christians try to remain sinless as Jesus was?

Marriage is a Sacrament, so how can that be a sin???!!! Celibacy is just a discipline, a man-made one at that. It's a choice. Now, Orthodoxy does consider celibate life to be of "higher" standaing but not because of the guilt. If we devote ourselves completely to God, and wish to do nothing but serve Him (some people say "please" Him, but we cannot please God no matter what we do, for He is not subject to passions!), then being married and loving other than God is an impediment, which is why we have monasticism, a life that has no wordly distractions and obligations (Mt Athos, for example can be visted by men only for that reason).

Was it not Christ Himself who commanded us "IN THE BIBLE" to be perfect, as our Father in Heaven is perfect?

No He didn't. What He said in the Gospel is "be [future tense] as your Father in Heaven is perfect." The problem is that you are interpreting the Gospel through English translation, and English does not have that future tense (because it is not a liturgical language) that is equivalent to Greek.

The correct translation in English should be such that the future is hinted in this verse -- i.e. "become" rather than "be.." The Orthodox Church correctly teaches that our becoming Christ-like is a process, and not a decision, that we call theosis.

72 posted on 07/09/2005 7:44:43 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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