Posted on 06/26/2005 8:26:28 PM PDT by dangus
Bishop Daniel Ryan was appointed Bishop of Springfield, Illinois in 1983, as a suffragan of sex offender Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.
Bishop Kendrick Williams of Lexington, Kentucky was the only man consecrated by Bishop William Anthony Hughes. Hughes was consecrated by Cardinal Bernadin, and retired early.
Bishop James McGrath, an auxiliary of New York. No known connection.
Archbishop Rembert Weakland was archbishop of Milwaukee, only a few dozen miles from Chicago, where Cardinal Bernadin was Archbishop. Bernadin and Weakland lived together during the time frame Weakland allegedly was a sexual abuser. Weakland was consecrated by Jean Jadot. Robert Sanchez, the only other man consecrated by Jean Jadot, was also a sex offender
Bishop Anthony O’Connell succeeded sex offender Bishop Keith Symons in Palm Beach. (He was succeded by Archbishop Sean O’Malley who also succeeded sex offender tolerator Bernard Law in Boston. O’Malley’s co-consecrator was sex offender Eugene Marino.) Alleged sex offender Robert Lynch had been apostolic administrator in Palm Beach prior to O’Connell’s appointment.
Bishop Robert Lynch, of St. Petersburg was apostolic administrator of Palm Beach following sex offender Keith Symons, and before sex offender Anthony O’Connell.
Bishop Robert Brom was appointed bishop of San Diego, in the Metropolitan of Los Angeles, as a suffragan of alleged sex offender Cardinal Roger Mahony. He was consecrated by John Roach, who also consecrated sex offender Paul Dudley
Bishop Paul Dudley was consecrated by John Roach, who also consecrated sex offender Robert Brom.
Bishop Joseph Hart, Bishop of Cheyenne. No known connection.
Archbishop Eugene Marino was appointed Archbishop Marino while Bernadin was ruling the USCCB and the Metropolitan of Chicago. Bernadin was also from the Atlanta-Savannah diocese.
Bishop Patrick Ziemann was consecrated, and served under alleged sex offender Roger Mahony in Los Angeles.
Bishop Keith Symons was Bishop of Palm Beach. The apostolic administrator named to replace him, Robert Lynch, was alleged to also be a sex offender. The bishop appointed after Lynch, O’Connell, was a sex offender.
Archbishop Robert Sanchez was bishop of Santa Fe. His suffragan, Phoenix Bishop Thomas O’Brien was convicted of vehicular manslaughter. He was consecrated by Jean Jadot. Robert Weakland, the only other man consecrated by Jadot, was also a sex offender.
Of these men, The good news: Only Mahony, Weakland, and Bernardin have ever consecrated other bishops. None of the men consecrated by primarily Mahony (including three men currently heading dioceses) or Weakland have ever been primary consecrator of another bishop.
Marino was not a criminal "sex offender." He had a consensual affair with a woman and resigned as archbishop.
Alleged by whom? No accusations of sexual abuse have been made against Lynch in any forum.
You're making a lot of wild charges. Better get your facts in order.
Alleged by whom? No accusations of sexual abuse have been made against Lynch in any forum.
You're making a lot of wild charges. Better get your facts in order.
She characterized it as rape.
I'd like to see some evidence of that. As I recall, Marino married her.
But after just two years he resigned as archbishop in 1990 when it was learned that he had an affair with a parishioner, Vicki Long, and the two had secretly wed in 1988 (JET, April 5, 1993). Marino, who retained his title after his resignation, had led the Atlanta diocese for 26 months.
If I made any error, it was in losing a formatting which suggested who were the demonstrated sex offenders and who were the merely alleged sex offenders. Robert Lynch paid $100,000 in "severence" money to an employee, Bill Urbanski, who accused him of making unwanted sexual advances.
Marino and Weakland are not "sex offenders" in any way comparable to O'Connell, who abused a minor.
But, it's your show. I'm just pointing out that Weakland and Marino were not sexual offenders in any legal sense.
Weakland was accused of sexual assault, and paid $450,000 to his accuser to keep quiet. That is abuse.
Your notion that Marino married the woman who accused him of rape is false. Disgustingly, Marino was assigned, still holding the title of a bishop, to counsel priests who were sex abusers. (Counsel them in what? Quieting witnesses?) It is in that clerical role that he died of a heart attack at 66 years old. What he publicly acknowledged is considered a sexual offense by the Church.
... That's not to say that O'Connell's abuse was not particularly vile, since it was of a minor. But I'm also of the notion that Weakland's accuser was possibly the tip on iceberg.
You need to be careful throwing around accusations like this in a public forum. As far as I've been able to tell, Bishop Dudley has been investigated and cleared of all abuse charges. The specific charge that I read about dated back to the 1950's.
It's not "my notion." Read the link above. Did the woman go to the police and ask that Marino be arrested on rape charges?
What he publicly acknowledged is considered a sexual offense by the Church.
Now you're qualifying your original accusation.
Marino was, in no sense, a "sexual offender" as is commonly understood. He was a sexual sinner.
No. She took a pay-off instead. That's hardly a refutation of the charges.
And qualifying absolutes ("in no sense... as is commonly understood") is rhetorically silly. Besides, you're presuming he is innocent of the charge levelled against him when you say he wasn't a sexual offender. Plainly, if it was anywhere approaching rape, he's a sexual offender under any definition. (And I grant you her quote makes it seem like he wouldn't legally be considered a rapist if he did do what she terms "rape.")
I certainly will not retract, or consider criticism for, using terms as they are used by the church when writing an article in a religion forum about the actions of church officials. And frankly, I think you are just plain silly.
I will say that while I am as certain as I morally can be (that is to say, short of the point of denying the extraordinary graces of the Holy Spirit) that Archbishop Weakland would be roasting in perpetual agony if half the accusations I've heard about him are anywhere near true, I would have very high hopes for the soul of poor soul of the mentally ill Archbishop Marino.
Yes, you are correct. As I noted in a response to sinkspur, I lost the formatting which lumped those who were likely guilty with those I would merely consider alleged. And thanks for pointing out that in the case of Paul Dudley, I also referred to him as "sex offender" without qualifying it with alleged. That is plainly an error.
Yes, you are correct. As I noted in a response to sinkspur, I lost the formatting which lumped those who were likely guilty with those I would merely consider alleged. And thanks for pointing out that in the case of Paul Dudley, I also referred to him as "sex offender" without qualifying it with alleged. That is plainly an error.
Yes, you are correct. As I noted in a response to sinkspur, I lost the formatting which lumped those who were likely guilty with those I would merely consider alleged. And thanks for pointing out that in the case of Paul Dudley, I also referred to him as "sex offender" without qualifying it with alleged. That is plainly an error.
Well, which is it? You can't seem to make up your mind if it was rape or not. (It was not rape, in any sense of the term, as the "victim" consented to an attempted civil marriage).
I would have very high hopes for the soul of poor soul of the mentally ill Archbishop Marino.
Marino was not mentally ill; he just succumbed to the wiles of an attractive woman. Happens all the time to perfectly healthy adult males.
Regarding #1
I lost a bit of formatting I had done, and the present way the article is posted, it looks as if I am presuming every allegation against every bishop is true. Could you please insert the word, "alleged" into the title?
(actually, if it wouldn't be too much to ask... I'm going to post an editted version... Could you swap out the whole article? I'm going to play it safe ad use the word alleged exhaustively.)
Bishop Daniel Ryan was appointed Bishop of Springfield, Illinois in 1983, as a suffragan of alleged sex offender Cardinal Bernardin of Chicago.
Bishop Kendrick Williams of Lexington, Kentucky was the only man consecrated by Bishop William Anthony Hughes. Hughes was consecrated by Cardinal Bernadin, and retired early.
Bishop James McGrath, an auxiliary of New York.
Archbishop Rembert Weakland was archbishop of Milwaukee, only a few dozen miles from Chicago, where Cardinal Bernadin was Archbishop. Bernadin and Weakland lived together during the time frame Weakland allegedly was a sexual abuser. Weakland was consecrated by Jean Jadot. Robert Sanchez, the only other man consecrated by Jean Jadot, was also an alleged sex offender
Bishop Anthony O’Connell succeeded sex offender Bishop Keith Symons in Palm Beach. (He was succeded by Archbishop Sean O’Malley who also succeeded sex offender tolerator Bernard Law in Boston. O’Malley’s co-consecrator was sex offender Eugene Marino.) Alleged sex offender Robert Lynch had been apostolic administrator in Palm Beach prior to O’Connell’s appointment.
Bishop Robert Lynch, of St. Petersburg was apostolic administrator of Palm Beach following alleged sex offender Keith Symons, and before sex alleged offender Anthony O’Connell.
Bishop Robert Brom was appointed bishop of San Diego, in the Metropolitan of Los Angeles, as a suffragan of alleged sex offender Cardinal Roger Mahony. He was consecrated by John Roach, who also consecrated alleged sex offender Paul Dudley
Bishop Paul Dudley was consecrated by John Roach, who also consecrated alleged sex offender Robert Brom.
Bishop Joseph Hart, Bishop of Cheyenne
Archbishop Eugene Marino was appointed Archbishop Marino while Bernadin was ruling the USCCB and the Metropolitan of Chicago. Bernadin was also from the Atlanta-Savannah diocese.
Bishop Patrick Ziemann was consecrated, and served under alleged sex offender Roger Mahony in Los Angeles.
Bishop Keith Symons was Bishop of Palm Beach. The apostolic administrator named to replace him, Robert Lynch, was alleged to also be a sex offender. The bishop appointed after Lynch, O’Connell, was an alleged sex offender.
Archbishop Robert Sanchez was bishop of Santa Fe. His suffragan, Phoenix Bishop Thomas O’Brien was convicted of vehicular manslaughter. He was consecrated by Jean Jadot. Robert Weakland, the only other man consecrated by Jadot, was also an alleged sex offender.
Of these men, The good news: Only Mahony, Weakland, and Bernardin have ever consecrated other bishops. None of the men consecrated by primarily Mahony (including three men currently heading dioceses) or Weakland have ever been primary consecrator of another bishop.
(Sorry for the previous triple posting.)
The omission in the case of Paul Dudley is severe enough, I am asking the moderator to fix it. I had no intention of using the term alleged for some particularly icked people, like Bernardin, or for some who paid off their victims, like Weakland. But failing to use it for Dudley is an inexcusable error which should teach me not to post at midnight.
It is my understanding from the articles I've read that the Catholic Church treated him as having been ill. Apparently, they did consider that he had recovered nicely by the time of his death.
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