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To: topcat54; blue-duncan; xzins
Thank you for your reply!

Christ has done it all.

Again, we disagree on the tense. Christ is doing it all.

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3:1-13


784 posted on 07/12/2005 10:06:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; xzins
"Christ has done it all."

Again, we disagree on the tense. Christ is doing it all.

Doing what all? We're talking about fulfilling the law. We're talking about whether or not there is a need to rebiuld the temple once again and reinstitute animal sacrifice once again in the future.

Let's get specific. You quoted from 2 Peter 3 about the second coming. That aspect of Christ's coming is still in the future. Also, still in the future, according to the New Testament, is the final subjection of all the nation under the foot of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15:25). The NT indicates that what Christ has yet, finally to do is to destroy Satan and his works, and to conquer death once for all by casting all His opponents into the Lake of Fire.

But to try to expand this and to include aspects of the old covenant shadowy, ceremonial law, all of which pointed to Christ's first coming where He was sacrificed for the sins of His people, is sheer folly. It is directly contrary to the book of Hebrews and all that Christ and His disciples testified to in the rest of the NT.

Nowhere in the NT does it speaks of the physical Levites being raised up again. This in spite of the fact that the NT is quite clear that the Levities ministry was temporary and destined to fade away. Likewise with animal sacrifices and the physical place for sacrifices, the tabernacle/temple. We are told quite clearly in Jesus' warning in Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and all that is written in the book of Hebrews that it was going to be destroyed. That it was a shadow and about to fade away. But nowhere do any of these NT writers calm the fears of those who wish to see the temple rebuilt by saying, "But fear not, the temple will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices reinstituted once again just before Jesus return." Do you know why they do not say it, because it is an absurd proposition considering all that they testified about the person and work of Christ. Such a thought would entirely undermine their message of complete salvation in Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

I really fear that people with such a notion do not understand the gospel of Jesus Christ. Much like the ancient Judaizers who wished to mix law-keeping with the grace of the gospel, binding men to that which was demonstrably temporary, this new theology wishes to remake the worship of God in patterns that were destined to fade from the scene thousands of years ago. Human Levites are no way to approach God when we have our great High priest seated on David's throne in heaven.

785 posted on 07/12/2005 10:30:18 AM PDT by topcat54
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