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To: HarleyD; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands; xzins; Revelation 911
The Pelagians and all who believe that sinners must first repent and believe before they are born again say that the only work the Holy Spirit does in preaching is to persuade by motives, arguments and reasons put to the natural unconverted mind, and that by these alone the sinner is convinced and persuaded to repent. The sinner therefore repents and believes of his own free will and choice.

Gee, I'm not described in that paragraph, but I certainly don't believe you are "born again" until after you repent. I have seen a number of Calvinists that insist that you are not "born again" until after you have been saved. But this guy lumps all those Calvinists and all the Pelagians in the same lump.

I have also heard some of the Calvinists state that they repented of their own free will (after God worked on their will to mold it to his own -- which they call regeneration and which I call prevenient grace).

You know, up until the author started in on the Pelagians I was pretty much nodding in agreement. I don't think the Author really understands the difference between the Pelagians and the Wesleyans and Arminians or even the Moderate Calvinists who don't believe that "Born Again" and regeneration are synonymous.

At any rate I don't believe people are persuaded by moral arguments or reason but by the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, nor do I believe that you are born again until after you have exercised saving faith.

And quite frankly I don't know if any of the non-Calvinist posters would agree with Mr. Owen's assessment of their soteriology.

17 posted on 06/14/2005 1:48:55 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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Your views are known and noted, and have also been quite fairly examined, although we know you don't particulary care for the result. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but we won't be judged by God for our opinions per se, but how we handled His Holy Word.

Owen very succinctly summed up the issue of "who did Christ die for?". Can you refute it?

19 posted on 06/14/2005 3:08:11 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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