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To: Mershon
 Baptism of desire is necessary for salvation. Read St. Matthew's Gospel, the last few sentences of the last chapter.
 
 
Matthew 28
 1.  After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
 2.  There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it.
 3.  His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.
 4.  The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
 5.  The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.
 6.  He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.
 7.  Then go quickly and tell his disciples: `He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you."
 8.  So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.
 9.  Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.
 10.  Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
 11.  While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened.
 12.  When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money,
 13.  telling them, "You are to say, `His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.'
 14.  If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble."
 15.  So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
 16.  Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.
 17.  When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
 18.  Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
 19.  Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in  the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 20.  and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
 
I'll bet you want us to see the word BAPTIZING in verse 19, don't you?
 
But first; I want a LIST of EVERYTHING Jesus "COMMANDED" them in verse 20.

139 posted on 06/10/2005 12:25:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
But first; I want a LIST of EVERYTHING Jesus "COMMANDED" them in verse 20.

This list may be found in the traditional rules to guide our behavior, establish the liturgical worship, and govern the Christian society that were set down in the early Church.

Unfortunately for you, they are not merely written down in the Bible, so you will just have to take my word for it, as the Bible advises.

2 Thessalonians 2.12-14 "But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit and faith of the truth: Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle."

This is why St. Paul says in Romans 10:13-17 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? Or how shall they believe him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they be sent, as it is written: How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, of them that bring glad tidings of good things? But all do not obey the gospel. For Isaias saith: Lord, who hath believed our report? Faith then cometh by hearing; and hearing by the word of Christ."

Since you have never had the patience to hear and accept the teaching of the Catholic Church spread throughout the world, I suppose you certainly wouldn't have any idea what this list of everything Jesus commanded consisted of.

It certainly wouldn't be communicated by writing, since most of humanity has been illiterate from the time of Christ until now.

149 posted on 06/10/2005 12:43:06 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Elsie

traditions had to do with the Jewish traditions, since Christianity hadn't been around long enough yet to establish any "traditions."

Perhaps you could cut and paste the entire King James. It is really professional to bold and use different color fonts in order to emphasize those points you'd like to emphasize. Does your Bible have such helpful guides as this?
Or are these your own "sola scriptura" interpretations? Every man his own Pope. Must be kinda cool in a way. Unbiblical, but cool nonetheless. You're your own authority. Cool.

Suffice to say that I attempt to keep all the commandments necessary for growth in holiness and justification that Jesus Christ handed on to his apostles and they to their successors. My religion is more than 100 years old. In fact, Martin Luther and John Calvin would be aghast at what some of the fundies have turned "religion" into...

Sigh... Big sigh...

Again, read my lips. I'm not interested in exchanging Bible verses. Sacred Scripture is not self interpreting, and as a non-Catholic, I recognize your authority as zero regarding your interpretation of Sacred Scripture.


153 posted on 06/10/2005 12:52:22 PM PDT by Mershon
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