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To: TradicalRC; Agrarian; Tantumergo; Romulus
Speaking as a traditionalist, no. I don't see irony. I do see wills and intellects pursuing agendas primarily personal in nature - even though those pursuing those agendas imagine themselves to be "upholding tradition".

As a traditionalist, I think it necessary to be humble enough to accept it is the Living Magisterium which defines Tradtion and tradition and to submit to those decisions which modify , and even abandon, traditions because that is the common good for any particular epoch

To put it another way, I don't think the changes/reforms etc were done with malign intent. As a Christian Tradtionalist, that puts me in a distinct miniority here. I, reflexively, consider what Holy Mother Church does is because she knows what is best for all of us. I am not one who imagines that what my personal prejudices, preferences, proclivities etc are ought be normative for every other Christian Catholic on earth

It is my personal opinion that all the cavilling, complaining, condemning etc done by both the left and the right and directed at the Body of Christ has infected nearly all of us with the inclination to adopt protestant categories of thought vis a vis the Magisterium and we desire to crush and sift each and every decison taken by the Magisterium and run it through the filter of what are our personal understanding of Compassion/Tradition is and to decide whether or not we shall accept or reject Magisterial decisions..

In other words, even though I may prefer the Mass anchored in a particular Liturgy, if the Living Magisterium takes another decision and undertakes a reform of the Liturgy, who am I to muscle-up to the public podium and begin denouncing them for protestantizing this and liberalizing that and destroying this and corrupting that? Adopting the habit of thinking Holy Mother Church is suspect or, worse, corrupting, signifies Satan's influence is growing amongst far too many who call themselves tradtionalists

In what way is denouncing any normative Rite Tradition? (It goes without saying that nobody is wrong in denouncing bad translations, abuses of the GIRM etc)

No language is sacred for Catholic Tradtionalists. It is not our Liturgies, it is not our language, it is not our Rites, ancient or revised/reformed, which preserve truth and Doctrinal certitude, it is the Triune God working through the Church He established which assures and preserves Truth and is is the Living Magisterium which takes decisions mediating that Salvific Grace in its Sacraments, Rites, Liturgues etc that we must submit to and ahere to and not attack.

Nixon, infamously, once said, "We are all Kenyesians" now. In the future, maybe some tradtionalist will note, "All the traditionalists were protestant-oriented in that epoch"

76 posted on 06/08/2005 3:40:23 AM PDT by bornacatholic (It must be tough being a traditionalist what with all the correcting of HM Church it demands)
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To: bornacatholic; TradicalRC; Agrarian; Romulus

"As a traditionalist, I think it necessary to be humble enough to accept it is the Living Magisterium which defines Tradtion and tradition and to submit to those decisions which modify , and even abandon, traditions because that is the common good for any particular epoch"

But don't you think the Living Magisterium is capable of deficient conduct, being deficient in the disciplines it promulgates, and even formulating doctrine deficiently?


77 posted on 06/08/2005 8:15:25 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: bornacatholic
As a traditionalist, I think it necessary to be humble enough to accept it is the Living Magisterium which defines Tradtion and tradition and to submit to those decisions which modify , and even abandon, traditions because that is the common good for any particular epoch

They are to guard the deposit of faith not "Define tradition" which is really, to be honest, "redefining tradition".

92 posted on 06/09/2005 1:19:36 PM PDT by TradicalRC (I'd rather live in a Christian theocracy than a secular democracy.)
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