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To: Tantumergo
Thus IF, in various times and circumstances, there have been deficiencies in moral conduct or in church discipline, or even in the way that church teaching has been formulated-to be carefully distinguished from the deposit of faith itself-these can and should be set right at the opportune moment.

*The word is IF. Because the Council did not address, or footnote, examples, presumably none exist. If they did or do exist, it is only the MAgisterium, not you, who has the authority to clear-up any deficiencies - DEFICIENCES ARE NOT ERRORS as you appear to think

The Living Magisterium said "if" and you rocket to the wrong conclusion going so far as to say you think the Living Magisterium has become protestant, a thing existing only in your Sola Traditio world..

In fact, you appear, to me anyways, to delight in thinking the Living Magisterium errs. To me and my ilk, that is beyond strange for anyone calling himself a traditionalist to say nothing about a mere Catholic.

But, what is the Living Magisterium when compared to a man who searches Tradition to correct the Authority Divinely Established by Jesus?

127 posted on 06/10/2005 11:43:38 AM PDT by bornacatholic (It must be tough being a traditionalist what with all the correcting of HM Church it demands)
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To: bornacatholic

"*The word is IF. Because the Council did not address, or footnote, examples, presumably none exist."

Then, why would the Council suggest they could exist? They obviously hadn't read the "bornacatholic manual of pseudo-theology" which says they couldn't exist.

"If they did or do exist, it is only the MAgisterium, not you, who has the authority to clear-up any deficiencies"

But if its the same Magisterium which created the deficiencies in the first place, then how could they be relied on to clear them up without any deficiencies?

"DEFICIENCES ARE NOT ERRORS" - Really! So now you're basing your faith in the conciliar Magisterium on the basis of semantics like "If" and whether "deficiency" is or is not "error"? You really are starting to get a little desperate, aren't you?

"In fact, you appear, to me anyways, to delight in thinking the Living Magisterium errs."

Not at all, I am just saying that you are being unfaithful to the conciliar Magisterium by your never-ending protestations that it can never err. You obviously reject the Magisterium, because it says it can err.

In fact the Magisterium has not only said that there is deficient formulation of doctrine in the documents of Vatican II, but the Magisterium has even said that there are heresies like Pelagianism and Semi-Pelagianism in some of Vatican II's teaching.

But I suppose you know better than the Magisterium because you're more Catholic than the Magisterium, aren't you?


128 posted on 06/10/2005 12:59:05 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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