[aspiring.hillbilly]

Spin spin spin...! The truth is the church had married clergy until about the 1200's and went celibate because the heirs of priests were wanting to inherit church property, thus diluting church wealth.

How ironic and blasphemous it is when the Church advocates against the death penally for evil cold blooded murders when it was "good enough" for the Savior? To hold scum in a higher regard than Jesus....! That cant be righteous. Now you tell me how the abortionist ossama abonimation gets a land side in the IL senate race without many Catholic votes.. While a precious few bishops mumbled something about denying skerry communion, the overall silence was defining..

[Dominick]

Spin spin spin...!

This does not serve your arguement well, unless you are trolling.

The truth is the church had married clergy until about the 1200's and went celibate because the heirs of priests were wanting to inherit church property, thus diluting church wealth.

There is a specific reason, in general, in a medieval world where inheritance and wealth was accumulated over generations, the Church had to be separate. The Church also had many men land women living in cloister, and Marriage does not go at all. One reason doesn't fully explain it.

Your dates are way off as well, in the third century, celibacy was advocated and pretty much enforced across West Europe for the higher orders of Priesthood, Bishops, Priests and Deacons. It was more fully enacted, and made a requirement, in the 7th century, and finally mandatory in the 11th century. There were many problems with enforcing it, as many Priests in outlaying places ignored the rule, and some Bishops actually abetted them in that case. The will of the Church, and of God, was clear before the third century, cf St Paul. Well before the Fourth Council of Lateran that you may have read, Celibacy was known to Christendom.

How ironic and blasphemous it is when the Church advocates against the death penally for evil cold blooded murders when it was "good enough" for the Savior?

The death penalty should be reserved for the most heinous of acts. You somehow have the unfounded notion that the Crucifixion was "good enough" for Jesus, I think not. Christ was innocent, and was killed unjustly.

He laid his life down so we would live, even when Christ was presented with chances to speak out and live. Even better, he was God, and by his words he could have had millions of Angels wipe out the Romans and establish a just order. He had a better idea, and this pretty must refuted your notion that we should apply the "good enough" solution.

To hold scum in a higher regard than Jesus....! That cant be righteous.

Scum? people are scum? You have a theological problem, we are all scum, and deserve just what Christ died to prevent, we deserve worse than simple execution, we deserve an eternity in Hell.

While a precious few bishops mumbled something about denying skerry communion, the overall silence was defining..

How would you know? I listened to four Bishops from Florida, the Bahamas and Jamaica speak before the election, they all said Abortion matters. They all said you have to consider that issue, that voting for an abortionist because of proportionate reason was wrong, which is a marked change from the stance of Mahoney. Even at that the specific actions of a Bishop differ from the actual teaching of the Church, which is clearly repeated by every Bishop, Abortion is Murder.

[JohnnyZ]

Now you tell me how the abortionist ossama abonimation gets a land side in the IL senate race without many Catholic votes..

And lots of Protestant and evangelical votes as well.

But you're just interested in attacking Catholicism to feed your hate.

[nickcarraway]

I hope you don't recognize any books by St. Paul. If you do, better get rid of them soon.

[Conservative til I die]

How ironic and blasphemous it is when the Church advocates against the death penally for evil cold blooded murders when it was "good enough" for the Savior?

So by your (il)logic, we should encourage the death penalty, nay, seek to be executed ourselves via the electric chair because Jesus was?

Seems that being pro-death penalty inspires an unseemly bloodlust in some "Christians".