Posted on 05/31/2005 4:16:22 PM PDT by NYer
Selling spoke of his expectation that the Church will approve of homosexual sodomy.
Considering this comment was made 8 years ago, before the sexual abuse crisis broke in the MSM, we can now see how much this sub culture has cost the church, financially and emotionally. It will take time to sweep these kooks out from under their rugs but it is happening. Some of us will have to wait a bit longer and may not live to see the reforms bound to take place in our own dioceses. I have every faith and confidence that the worst is behind us.
I agree if you'll read my whole post. I was referring to minor details. That is what I read. That may apply only in cases of emergency (imminent death).
In this case the errors seem too great, as it seems he didn't even say "baptize". I also didn't see anything about the renunciation of Satan.
I have a friend who is a priest, and his concern of the church is the "gay" issue. His biggest fear is that we will eventually go the way the Episcopal church has, with the election of Gene Robinson.
I am hopeful, and prayerful, that this will never take place.
I do though worry about the future, but am also gladdened to see more and more younger Catholics becoming more conservative in their faith. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is turning things around after the American Catholic Church being so fuzzy headed over the years.
Gross!
With a bunch of Rainbow Sashers about, he'd better!
Thank you for posting that thread listing the "gay friendly" churches. I printed the California list. I was nodding as I read the parish names. Yep, they all fit the bill.
Huh?
This appears to be the m.o. of sooo many bishops here in PA as well. A beautiful church about an hours drive away became a 'prototype' of sorts of the renovations about 15 yrs ago. (And, btw, why do the bishops race to replace beautiful carved wooden doors and gorgeous stained glass windows with full, clear glass doors reminiscent of dept stores?) They had a big fundraiser. Everyone was full of anticipation. It was stripped bare. Statues removed (a few later replaced). The stations of the Cross were all painted over a nice pale taupe color. When it was done it had all the beauty of a subway, all concrete and gray with clear glass and no adornments. Just some modern art and plants. I take that back, though, I've been in nicer subways! Parishioners complained and petitioned Rome. These were labelled 'troublemakers'. The Parish lost a number of members. Then our bishop and theirs held this church out to all other local parishes as an 'example'. Dissenters are not tolerated.
"... that the falling water makes a nice sound."
It isn't a nice sound if you are elderly and have a spastic bladder.
Our modernist pastor places a water filled galvanized hog trough with a recirculating pump into the sancuary during every Easter Season so that he can do immersion Baptisms.
It drives some of the old folks crazy.
What degree of immersion is practiced in the Orthodox rite of baptism? Must the head get wet? Is the infant fully (but very briefly) immersed?
Make no mistake, these people exist for one reason alone. To tear down Christ's established earthly Church. They are only focused on themselves, not the Eternal Word of God.
They want to have their way and if they can't, then they will burn down Heaven in protest.
This makes me sick.
Fully immersion is the standard for all baptisms. However, due to quite reasonable safety concerns, infants are often immersed in the following manner: they are first placed in the baptismal font and supported with their heads held out of the water. The priest then scoops water to fully annoint the head while intoning "I baptize you in the Name of the Father." The child is then pulled from the font, lifted high and then returned for the blessings to the Son and again for the Holy Spirit.
To answer your question, the head must be fully wet.
Thanks. Unlike y'all Orthodox, I have never been nekkid in church. I trust you make the most of the opportunity. 8-)
"Evil" is the absence of something good from its proper place. The "good" in this example SHOULD be proper immersion (i.e., pouring upon the head, not "dipping").
These "baptisms", in my opinion, would fall under the category of "evil", since they violate the "good" procedure established since before Christ Himself was baptised on earth. This would be akin to administering the sacrament of Confession over the Internet, or delivering the Communion wafer with flavors like sour cream 'n' onion.
Ugh. I hate dragging out this word, but it's vaguely "demonic". Almost like a black mass. A perversion of the sacrament based on personal preference instead of upholding Tradition.
Pope John Paul II, in his last published book, wrote that "evil" is often found in situations where there is an apparent "good", however, there is one or more element askew, thereby making it evil. e.g., false visionaries and "miraculous" sites that produce apparently great fruit, but then a message comes along praising Allah or Buddah (or something along those lines).
The Rainbow Sash dude(tte) is kind of like the icing on the heretical cake. They could probably throw a tent over it and have a clown -- wait, that's already been done.
Maybe we do, maybe we don't. Who can remember that far back?
The lack of cajones on the part of local bishops has created a situation where the laity are more and more being compelled to point out heresy where it occurs. The 'remnant' are consolidating at traditional parishes (if geographically feasible) and those places are thriving while the "American" parishes wither on the vine.
Think of it as a heavenly pruning. God is allowing this. He's allowing the scandals and the local heresies as a means of forcing the "debate" (which He will win). His faithful flock is growing in strength if not number. Christ, it has been said, has become like a beggar in the tabernacle, waiting and hoping for souls to come to Him because of the IMMENSE amount of grace present in the Blessed Sacrament. So, while the faithful are being fed a feast of fortitude and wisdom, the cafeteria brigade is busy eating their homecooked lukewarm porridge instead of partaking in the heavenly banquet at the altar.
There but for the grace of God go I...
A subjective and entirely personal approach to Church doctrine on sexual ethics is inevitably reproduced in other areas and leads to liturgical and sacramental improvisation.
Thus, if I can decide what is and what is not sexually permissible, I can also decide how a baptism should be performed.
God understands. He gives me room to place my personal imprint on things of the Church.
Coleus,Bump.
Have at it.
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