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To: Hermann the Cherusker; TeĆ³filo; Agrarian

"The Divine Liturgy of St. Peter does not have an Epiklesis (it being essentially the Roman Canon as we know it), and it was said among the Orthodox for many centuries up to the 1900's. See note 34 in the link below"

Never heard of it. The link seems to indicate it may have been some sort of Old Believer Liturgy. The other two mentioned, that of St. James and St. Mark are of course well known though very rarely prayed.

"But you might also wish to read more where St. John Chrysostom says of the Liturgy: "It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's. 'This is my body,' he says. This word transforms the things offered." (De proditione Judae. 1.6, PG 49,380.)"

Hermann, most of us Orthodox can quote +John Chrysostomos nearly chapter and verse. We know Who does the consecrating at the Divine Liturgy. My comment was direced to various Roman commentaries wherein it is advanced that the priest stands in the place of Christ in the Liturgy.


191 posted on 05/31/2005 9:58:52 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
The link seems to indicate it may have been some sort of Old Believer Liturgy.

If you read through the text, you will find the Liturgy in service books from Greek monasteries, and with commentaries written on it from earlier on before the Old Believer schism.

Hermann, most of us Orthodox can quote +John Chrysostomos nearly chapter and verse. We know Who does the consecrating at the Divine Liturgy. My comment was direced to various Roman commentaries wherein it is advanced that the priest stands in the place of Christ in the Liturgy.

"The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words"

Those words of St. John neatly summarize the Roman belief.

194 posted on 05/31/2005 10:15:48 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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