Fr. Eugene Heidt and Archbishop Levada (A diocesan priest's experience)

Priest Where Is Thy Mass, Mass Where Is Thy Priest? | January 2004

[AlbionGirl]

Did St. Paul go around yammering that St. Peter wasn't Catholic? Please, it's totally different.

You're free to respect him, I have very little reason to respect a not-so-lowly Priest, in my estimation.

My Priest has suffered quite a bit because he dared to rebuke my Bishop, but he did it the way a man does it and should do it. Leaving himself unassailable, and much respected by his Parishoners because he conducted himself with honor.

If a Priest talked to me like Fr. Heidt, I'd hightail it out of there, if I could, and find another Priest who understood what Honor is really all about.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Regardless of whether you dislike this priest for doing the right thing, the public knowledge of Archbishop Levada's apostasy is well known. There is much more out there than one holy priest's account. As I mentioned above, St. Paul publicly rebuked Peter for much less. Fr. Heidt had nothing to gain and everything to lose (and did) when he defended the Faith to Levada. As Catholics, we are required to resist priests, bishops and even a Pope if they lead us away from Catholic teaching. Pope Pius IX said so as well as others.

We are not doing Levada any favors by giving false obedience to his error. He should have been demoted and reprimanded for his evil behavior. We should work for his conversion or containment.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Did St. Paul go around yammering that St. Peter wasn't Catholic?

Yes, he did. He had a problem with Peter's over association with Jewish custom. Read Acts. It's the same situation.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Levada's association with the Chinese communist schismatic priests (and his defense of it!)

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http://www.cardinalkungfoundation.org/cpa/openletter.html

III. WHY ARE ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS IN THE UNITED STATES GRANTING
PRIESTLY FACULTIES TO PRIESTS OF THE CPA?



1. Background: In the United States, such as in the New York
and San Francisco archdioceses, Ordinaries have granted priestly
faculties to priests of the schismatic CPA. These priests were allowed
to offer Holy Mass publicly in Roman Catholic Churches and to
administer other sacraments openly in parishes. No specific mention
was made in parish bulletins that the priest in question belonged to
the CPA and no explanation was made about the schismatic nature of the
CPA.



2. Responses to our Inquiries: In response to our inquiry about
this practice of granting priestly faculties to CPA priests:



Archbishop William Levada of San Francisco, wrote: "I would like
to invite the Foundation to be more accurate in its statements
concerning the Church in China and in particular concerning the
priests from China who have been welcomed by the dioceses of this
country. The program of their [CPA priests'] formation and of
their apostolic ministry is being carried out according to directives
received from the Holy See." The archbishop does not specify to
which directives he refers.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

This was sent to me by a friend. It is a current situation in the archdiocese of San Francisco.

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In The Wanderer, May 12, 2005 is a letter to the "Catholic Replies" section:

Q. At a parish in San Francisco, the full-time man in charge of the religious education of youngsters in grades K-8 is a practicing homosexual who lives openly with another man. It is difficult for adults to get into the classrooms, and our pastor is pro-homosexual and would resist any attempt to relieve this individual of his duties. We believe that he is not a good role model for our children and is not fit to be giving religious instruction. What can we do?

A. [Mr. Drummey gives the Catholic teaching on homosexual acts, etc. and also delineates the teachings on those in education. I won't transcribe all of those details, however the last sentence is instructional given the appointment of Archbishop Levada. Here is the last sentence:]

If your pastor won't do anything about this scandalous situation, then the archbishop should be contacted and asked to have this person removed from his position.

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So are we now to believe that Archbishop Levada will do what he did not do as bishop of San Francisco????

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[AlbionGirl]

When searching under +Paul rebukes +Peter, I found something in Galatians, but not Acts. I will consult my Bible later, and feel free to quote Chapter and verse I should be looking at. But here's what I did find:

Galatians
Chapter 2

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

If this is the text you're referring to, I don't it at all as analagous.

[AlbionGirl]

Please see post 46, inadvertantly posted to myself.

[Thorin]

You have provided zero proof of "apostasy" by Archbishop Levada. Even Hans Kung said that he would give Benedict XVI a 100 grace period before he began criticizing him. You can't even wait that long. Unbelievable.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

On the morning of his election, Ratzinger had breakfast with four cardinals from Asia and Africa and also Roger Mahony of Los Angeles.

After yesterday I thought I'd heard the worst of the news. I guess not.

[bornacatholic]

He was pretty nice to Judas.

I guess this Papal election was just a sham scam orchestrated by perverts and crackpots headed-up by the still-then, Cardinal Ratzinger. All that talk of retiring was just a clever (dare I say it "devilish?") ruse.

I guess we were just fooled again and doom is cracking (apologies to Robert Byrd) and we are being revolutionized and queerized and the Church has apostasized and the faithful are being marginalized and terrorized and with some schism we must now identify.

Hmmm, I wonder if I can sell that last sentence to Jesse Jackson?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

You have got to be kidding.

I'm beginning to think there is nothing some of you won't tolerate. Levada suppresses sex scandals, supports homosexuals and pedophiles, gives communist schismatics diocesan privileges, waters down Eucharistic teaching and promotes use of invalid matter just to name a FEW of his errors.

And you want to attack the messengers. Unreal.

[Thorin]

You might be interested in reading what another hysteriac who thinks the election of Benedict XVI as Pope is a disaster for the Church is saying about Archbishop Levada:

QUOTE OF THE DAY: "From the perspective of society, the tendency to 'privatize' the moral dimension, so common to America with its slogan 'separation of church and state,' can potentially have disastrous consequences." - Archbishop William J. Levada, just appointed to be pope Benedict XVI's guardian of orthodoxy. Even back in 1995, Levada was singling out one political party, the Democrats, for censure. And, for Levada, church-state separation is now merely a "slogan," not a fundamental principle of a free society? Another sign of where Benedict is going.

The anti-Benedict and anti-Levada hysteriac I am quoting is Andrew Sullivan, who would surely be surprised to learn that Levada is part of a secret homosexual conspiracy to destroy the Church.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Archbishop Levada, is that you????

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Years ago Mahony and his diocesan buddies used to frequent the AOL chat rooms. As you and I both know, you never know who is behind the screen name. I'm beginning to wonder about some of these Levada supporters.

[Thorin]

>>>>I'm beginning to think there is nothing some of you won't tolerate. Levada suppresses sex scandals, supports homosexuals and pedophiles, gives communist schismatics diocesan privileges, waters down Eucharistic teaching and promotes use of invalid matter just to name a FEW of his errors.

You have provided zero credible proof for any of these charges. You may wish to join Andrew Sullivan and stage an anti-Levada rally somewhere. You can hold your sign, "Schismatic for the Catholic Church," and Andrew can hold his, "Homosexual for the Catholic Church," and you can tell all and sundry that John Paul II was a disaster, that Benedict XVI is a disaster, that Archbishop Levada is a disaster, and that if Rome would just listen to YOU, all our problems would be solved.

Of course, you and Sullivan would part company on what your own particular solutions would be, but you would each be quite vociferous in your condemnation of Rome and all its works.

[bornacatholic]

TRENT

DECREE CONCERNING THE THINGS TO BE OBSERVED, AND TO BE AVOIDED, IN THE CELEBRATION OF MASS.

In the next place, that irreverence may be avoided, each, in his own diocese, shall forbid that any wandering or unknown priest be allowed to celebrate mass

I guess we are expected to take as Gospel the hearsay evidence of a priest who engages in activity denounced by Trent.

"In order to save Tradition we must destroy Tradition" appears to be the motto of far too many

[Thorin]

>>>>>Archbishop Levada, is that you????

No, just an ordinary Catholic layman from Cleveland who thought that John Paul II was a great, good, and holy man--one of the few giants of our age--and who thinks that Benedict XVI is a remarkable man who shows every promise of being a remarkable Pope.

[Gumdrop]

Everybody calm down here. What we have is the report of one priest, who even though he is no doubt sincere, is still reporting on incidents as he remembers them. This priest does not have all the info that Bishop Levada had.

One of the most serious sources for eroneous reporting is when one side puts out a position as though that is the only side that counts. It sort of reminds me of an old saying that my Mom attributed to her Dad. My Grandfather used to say about a divorcing couple, "Well, there's his side, her side and the Truth!"

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Keep reading. There are more excerpts from a variety of sources on this thread.

[little jeremiah]

I appreciate all the pings you send my way. I have been seriously overwhelmed, but that may be coming to an end, at which time I will be able to participate a bit more, and even ping my lists properly.

Thanks for this comment about despair - it is akin to suicide, which as similarly an offense against God. It's voluntarily and faithlessly turning our backs on Him, His love and mercy. Refusing Him. Closing our hearts, locking the door. It has a component of anger as well, just as depression is often (usually?) founded on anger.

I will make a point to read this in depth later.

Despair and hopelessness is something I used to struggle with for a long time, on and off, even after I came to understand that God does indeed exist and is the supreme Friend and Lord. I was in such a deep dark place that it has taken a long time to get into the light!