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To: Gamecock
ANOTHER difficult question that shrouds the doctrine of predestination...

There is absolutely no such thing as predestination. Our decision-making facilities and intelligence would be unnecessary if there were; we'd be robots and automatons.

Basically, nature offers no example of any sort of a complex capability which serves no purpose.

4 posted on 05/12/2005 4:04:08 AM PDT by tahotdog
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To: tahotdog
There is absolutely no such thing as predestination.

And you are Biblically wrong.


5 posted on 05/12/2005 4:12:49 AM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain)
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To: tahotdog; rdb3; Gamecock
Basically, nature offers no example of any sort of a complex capability which serves no purpose.

Oh yeah?


6 posted on 05/12/2005 4:24:00 AM PDT by ksen ("He that knows nothing will believe anything." - Thomas Fuller)
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To: tahotdog; Gamecock
"There is absolutely no such thing as predestination. Our decision-making facilities and intelligence would be unnecessary if there were..."

Well, Adam's decision-making facilities and intelligence didn't do him much good when he decided to take the fruit now did they? With all due respects, what makes you think you're that much smarter?

7 posted on 05/12/2005 4:32:28 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: tahotdog

"In his heart, a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps." Pr. 16v9

We can make all the decisions we want, but we simply cannot control the outcome or results. There's a large, and greatly unbiblical, myth to the cop-out concept of "Free Will".


8 posted on 05/12/2005 4:41:04 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.")
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To: tahotdog
***There is absolutely no such thing as predestination.***

There's not? I think you might be mistaken.

Romans 8:28-30 We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined, he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Ephesians 1:5 he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,

9 posted on 05/12/2005 5:42:11 AM PDT by Gamecock (We are not saved by faith, but by the object of our faith.)
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